Oh blimey. I might just keep my judgement in place and add an explanatory note later. Unless anyone wants to support the moot. One more for that.
On Thursday, July 6, 2017, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: > NttPF. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > > I move reconsideration. >> >> I recuse myself. >> >> On Thursday, July 6, 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> TTttPF >>> ---- >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com <javascript:;> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 5, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < >>>> >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I move to enter this judgement into moot. >>>> ---- >>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com <javascript:;> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:35 PM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com >>>>> <javascript:;>> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> This contains my motion to reconsider and my >>>>> adressing your argument (although cursorily) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:42 PM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> I move to reconsider (you can't, you cndan intend to move >>>>> and wait for two support. >>>>> >>>>> I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. >>>>> I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated >>>>> action though. It seems to me that despite the auction >>>>> provisions, people could auction their own property >>>>> without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact >>>>> that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction >>>>> off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) >>>>> does not work. >>>>> >>>>> "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any >>>>> player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" >>>>> from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction >>>>> provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of >>>>> the word "Owner" means someone who can control their >>>>> property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner >>>>> or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized >>>>> by rule (such as the auction provision). >>>>> >>>>> CB raises the additional argument that an auction still can be >>>>> called even if the winner cannot have the property transferred >>>>> to them. Auction is undefined. The ordinary meaning is >>>>> "a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest >>>>> bidder.". A sale cannot exist unless the property is actually >>>>> given to the winner of the auction. I have already explained that >>>>> this cannot happen. Therefore, an auction has not been called >>>>> here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> I motion to reconsider. >>>>> >>>>> Whether the winning bid can actually make a transfer or not shouldn't >>>>> >>>> affect if there is actually an *auction* or not in the first place, I >>> believe. >>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 AM, V.J Rada <vijar...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. >>>>> I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated >>>>> action though. It seems to me that despite the auction >>>>> provisions, people could auction their own property >>>>> without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact >>>>> that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction >>>>> off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) >>>>> does not work. >>>>> >>>>> "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any >>>>> player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" >>>>> from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction >>>>> provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of >>>>> the word "Owner" means someone who can control their >>>>> property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner >>>>> or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized >>>>> by rule (such as the auction provision). >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk >>>>> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 02:21 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's >>>>>> Auction >>>>>> time. Let's go: >>>>>> >>>>>> Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like >>>>>> withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all >>>>>> actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm >>>>>> >>>>> going >>> >>>> off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation >>>>>> >>>>> for the >>> >>>> Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under >>>>>> >>>>> which >>> >>>> the action would succeed or fail": >>>>>> >>>>>> "At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the >>>>>> Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction, >>>>>> >>>>> by >>> >>>> announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins." >>>>>> >>>>>> Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by >>>>>> >>>>> nobody, >>> >>>> so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify >>>>>> >>>>> information >>> >>>> for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor" >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore: >>>>>> >>>>>> - I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other >>>>>> >>>>> players, if >>> >>>> possible). >>>>>> - I then bid a million shinies on each of them. >>>>>> - I then bid one shiny on each of them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a >>>>>> million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works >>>>>> >>>>> versus >>> >>>> the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you >>>>>> actually own. >>>>>> >>>>>> I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates" >>>>>> >>>>>> That's all. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is CFJ 3537. I assign it to V.J. Rada. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ais523 >>>>> Arbitor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>
