I know that nix has been offended by my 4chan-adjacent way of talking in the past. If it's about that, I accept the guilt.
But if it's about my political arguments, I don't think that a Fage should be summoned because of that. In the same way that the US people are heavily influenced by their own anglosphere and local ideologies, I'm just some guy who is also heavily influenced by my own local ideologies. We won't always agree, and I don't mind that. You can check the Discord's #very-serious-agoran-business for what went down, but here's my report on what I understand to be, at the moment, nix's final straw. I believe there may have been some accidental misinterpretation from nix (some others have pointed it out eg. what I said in regards to feminism), so I'll go more in depth in what I said and wanted to argue. - So I was conversing with Aspen about language - I brought up the Real Academia Española, which is basically the Spanish office of Spanish Language for what is officially Actually Spanish Language. They publish dictionaries and grammar stuff regularly. It's the closest thing to an objective way to determine what is *correct* Spanish and what isn't, it's been considered that for years by Spanish schools and academia and whatnot. And the RAE does not support gender-neutral Spanish as actual Spanish. - Then I got a reply from Aspen which I found it to be misguided and holier-than-thou. I disliked it. But at the end of the day, I really don't mind. I am OK with them thinking and arguing that way: "I guess, my point is, there's probably some period of time when (some) people understand a word but it isn't officialized yet." "And if people use e, just because it hasn't been officialized, that doesn't make it *incorrect.*" - I compared this to Sharia Law, because Aspen's argument seems to imply that there's some new, 'correct' rule (or at least, 'not incorrect') to things that other people just haven't caught onto yet. That, it's alright and 'not incorrect' to use Spivak. Well, I argue that yes, sure, and the Sharia Law supporters feel similarly, that other nations are misguided and that Sharia Law in their jurisdiction is 'not incorrect'. To someone who isn't in the neopronouns/neolanguage camp, it feels like some external ideology (be it Sharia Law or neopronouns) barging in to claim that they're correct to some degree and that certain things need to change to a certain amount to accommodate them. This is related to, but still separate from my next point, which is more about culture rather than what rules are correct or not. - To further illustrate how the current push for neopronouns/neolanguage isn't natively Spanish but (mostly) orginated in the US as a movement, I also explained how other things have arrived to Spain by US cultural export, like modern feminism, and how Spain lagged behind it by 1-2 years after it got really big in the US. There's truth in the Spanish lover stereotype where shirtless handsome men on a horse treat doe-eyed women as helpless children and sweep them off their feet to carry them off - Spain is extremely sexist (it's very "machista"). Feminism is prevalent in Europe nowadays and instead of focusing on nourishing and empowering women with education and employment opportunity like Nordic countries do, Spain focuses more on victimizing and protecting women and giving them direct financial aid. I find it babying, in comparison to Nordic countries, but I get why they do it, because Spain is still very machista. Regardless of if its good or bad, it's just how the culture here is. In any case, modern feminism is a foreign-imported idea to Spain. And so neolanguage. Beyond how interconnected we all are always, both are movements that most heavily originated in the US and are foreign cultural import to Spain. That was my point. On Tuesday, August 30, 2022, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 8/29/22 13:23, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > We now have a player who is directly responsible for three FAGEs. I > > believe that it's time we discuss a mechanism similar to the one below. > > > Correction on this: directly responsible for one successful FAGE and one > attempted FAGE that failed on a technicality. > > I was misremembering some additional heated discussion that e was > responsible for as ending in a FAGE. > > -- > Jason Cobb > > Arbitor, Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > >
