nix via agora-discussion [2022-08-30 13:33]: > On 8/29/22 16:28, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Concretely, I believe a self-moderated community should implement a form > > of restorative justice. I am not well-versed in this area, but I see an > > opportunity for us to create something new and valuable. I posit we > > should invest in the idea of a just Agora. We should take this > > seriously. > > Restorative justice is a great idea. I wrote a few protos on it in the > discord a while back, I'm sure someone can dig them up. > > > Even more concretely, I point the following, just out of the top of my > > head: > > > > * Bans should not be permanent. There should be a way to appeal them, > > and they should have time limits (though those can be unspecified and > > unlimited). Times change, and so should we. > > > > * We should have formal processes that implement some form of > > restorative justice, upon whose failure, and only then, extreme > > measures such as ostracism should prevail. > > > > I don't believe in punishment, fiction notwithstanding, and so I don't > > believe ostracism to be a punishment. It is – it must be – only the > > final, most bitter remedy for an injustice so grievous, and so > > collective, that there is no possible restoration. It is grave. I'd even > > come to the point of saying it needs to be a unanimous decision. > > I admire your idealism, but I just think you're wrong about how grievous > it has to be. Sometimes restoration isn't possible because someone > involved refuses to engage in a restorative process. Madrid responded > with "you shouldn't even be allowed to be mad at that, it's just who I > am." So e's clearly not interested at this time in understanding how eir > actions might have impacts. > > If your idealism aligns with protecting the person that makes other > people so uncomfortable that they quit, because they haven't done > anything **too serious**, then congrats because that's what you > currently have. > > -- > nix
I'm sorry. I had no idea of the gravity of the situation. Also, as I've said, I know very little about restorative justice. Honestly, I have no idea how to deal with a situation such as this. Obviously, keeping things as-is is unnaceptable. Something must be done to stop the pattern of abuse, though I don't have much confidence in what that is. That said, I prefer to err on the side of protecting victims. If no better alternatives come up, I will support a ban. -- juan
