On Fri, 05 May 2006 16:09:00 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Op vr, 05-05-2006 te 21:34 +0200, schreef Karel Demeyer:
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I pressed "Send" too quickly :) I read this first before replying on
the comments above though.
am I just sleepy or I can't figure out what you're trying to say... ;)
> I 99% agree, you really did a great job on this! kudos
> my few comments : why enable sound in account menu ? yes it is account
> option, but I don't see it in there..
For that reason and because creating yet another menu would be overkill.
I guess you want more stuff in this menu ...
> I would also think that an "Options" or "Tools" menu would be usefull
> (enable sound in there as well as access to prefs window + any often
> modified preferences)
wat often modified preferences ? My first draft added "dp in cl" in the
view menu but one pf the usability ppl said "it's crack" and indeed, it
is. You don't change it that often. In finitis you could add the
"where is the psm showed" stuffin the view menu .. but again that's not
for tools, and you don't want to change that alot ;). What rests ? I
don't have an idea what prefs you'd want to see in a menu. The sound
one is the only one I could think of as it's something you might change
a lot, like changing your status. We could have a cool plugin that for
example sets sounds muted dpending on the state btw ;)
first, sounds per state is in the TODO already, but I thought of it as an
additional checkbox in the custom states only (to avoid yet another option
in the prefs window, those who want the feature just have to create a
custom state "away-nosound" with no automessage, no nick change...)
often modified.. humm, I would say plugins, skins, access to preferences
window, enable sounds.. humm.. webcam settings... it's already enough, but
we could think of others, maybe mainly stuff we want people to *see*, I
mean joe average won't go in the prefs window and see what we got, but he
might look in the menus and if he sees in the menu a "Enable super cool
feature X", he might click on it.. I remember now that we should have took
a look at official client menus, which we forgot to do (don't know if you
did it under the hood)
here's what it has :
....
ok, I deleted it, I think the mail program will word wrap it and it will
screw the whole design.. take a look at it instead at :
http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/amsn/msn_menus.txt
(file is also attached)
anyways, I can't remember what I was saying...
look at those menus, tehre are some stuff in there that we can and SHOULD
use in our own menus.. like report bug/send feedback in help menu (just a
small example), so take a look at those.. you'll notice it's an msn 8.0
beta menu, and that I cut/abbreviated/rephrased some of the long named
items.. cause I GOT BORED at doing that!!!
also, about contextual menus, they are weird, the menu depend on who you
clicked on (they seem to exist 'non-IM' contacts.. wtf.. maybe it's some
kind of adress book where you add people name, email, phone numbers, etc..
keep them on the server without the other user having a passport, as a
internet addressbook.. but I'm not sure), so you can have a menu for a non
im contact, a different one for a msn contact, differnt for offline/online
contacts, and different if it's yourself (if you have your own user in
your contact list, the right click won't allow you to block/unblock... the
items are not there at all) ... anyways, I do not have the patience to
copy each of the different contextual menus I see there...
> Also, optional, but what do you think of (as a new feature) a
"Windows"
> menu ? with the list of all opened windows/contains.. might be
usefull..
> since it needs new code, maybe if it's accepted, do the design and
keep it
> in the wiki until we implement the code for it.
I don't think this would enhance usability. A "Windows" menu is found
in MDI's (multiple document interfaces), this type of programs is not
very liked by usability crowd ( "The use of MDI is discouraged, as they
have a number of inherent usability problems" ).
You coujld say aMSN is kind of a MDI prog as we 'work' on multiple
chats. But, there's no such an art of adding menu-titles. We already
have 5 now with my proposal, you propose 2 more. Maybe we do have to
add 'm, but I think we better don't. In fact allmost all modern
desktops have a "windows listing" somewhere in a panel, also called the
"taskbar" in windows. Most modrn windowmanagers support grouping of all
windows of 1 application. In other words, 99% of our users will already
have this functionality on their desktop! It's like hte same reason why
a clock on, a website is crack ;). Those 1% are likely geeks and if
they want it they can add it to powertools ;)
well, it's not an MDI, but yeah, I understand what you mean, the idea
sounded like a good one since I use a WM without any taskbar so I didn't
hink about that.. forget it then! :)
>
> you also pointed out something interesting when talking about some
stuff
> that needs to be moved to prefs window.. how about a redesign of the
prefs
> window :p yes, it WILL be redesigned.. but in time only.. also, we'd
need
> someone to take it where Alvaro left on the new prefs window, I think
he
> has the API finished, but only needs to code the items to apepar in
the
> prefs window..
> post-0.96
I'm wanting to do a design of a clean preferences window, but beware,
this will mean a lot of preferences would be added to this window byb a
plugin so it's not in the way of "normal"' users.
it seems I'm still sleepy as I don't get it...
KKRT
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-== File ==- -== Contacts ==- -== Actions ==-
-== Tools ==- -== Help ==-
Sign out | Add a contact | Send Instant
message | Always on top | Help topics
---- | Edit a contact | send other ->
| ---- | Welcome to MSN
My status-> | Delete a contact |
email/sms/wink/file | My emoticons | Billing support ->
* Online | ---- | Call a contact's PC
| My backgrounds | BG
Busy | Create group | ----
| change DP | DDP
Brb | Edit group | Video ->
| my winks | ...
Away | Delete group | start webcam
conversation | ---- | ----
etc.. | ---- | send my webcam
| View alerts window | Service status
---- | Sort contacts by -> | view a
contact's webcam | ---- | Privacy statement
Goto -> | * Status | Create or open a
shared folder | audio/Video setup | Terms of use
MSN home page | Group | start activity
| Webcam settings.. | ----
My inbox(X new..)| Recently updates spaces | play a game
| ---- | customer experience improvement program
---- | ---- | request remote
assistance | Billing info. -> | send feedback
Messenger CL tab | x Group mobile together | ----
| BG | ----
[list_all_tabs] | x Group offline together | Get more from
messenger -> | DDP | About messenger
---- | x Group non-IM together | BG
| ... | MSN 8.0 BETA
Send a single file ...| Filter contacts -> | DDP
| Options |__________________________________________
Open received files | * Show All Contacts | emoticons
|_______________________
View message history | Show messenger con. | packs
|
---- | Show online con. | winks
|
Close | View contacts by ->
|_________________________________
______________________| * Display name |
| First + last name |
| Email address |
| ---- |
| Save CL |
| Import CL |
_____________________________________
