> Um there is a culture of piracy *everywhere*. :}
>
> If you are saying that because you think most people are pirating Android
> apps...  I think your perception of things is probably pretty off.  I know
> lots of people who have Android devices, and none of them even think of
> turning on the option to install from external sources, let alone go out and
> find pirated apps.

You're correct.  My perception could very well be off.  Without a
doubt I see VERY high piracy rates on my software in Android market
(see here: bit.ly/9ZYrh7).  In my paranoid mind I've always
distributed this tendency towards piracy uniformly across the Android
user base.

I think that it's a good point that this is likely NOT true though.
As many have pointed out, piracy is motivated by different things,
including the inability to purchase from the market, over-priced apps,
etc.  These motivations don't exist everywhere or for every app, and
so my guess is that there are piracy hot spots around the globe.

Actually, that would be a very interesting study.  I think that I may
even have the raw data to do it for my own app.  My app tracks coarse-
grained (city-level) location information, and I think that I could
extract that same information from Google Checkout records.  I smell a
weekend going up in smoke... :)

Dave

On Aug 25, 1:04 pm, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:13 AM, keyeslabs <keyes...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Again, my contention is that something stronger than obfuscation is
> > needed to lock the APK down.  OS-level APK encryption support in
> > addition to license verification.   I would like to see us get to the
> > point that users must choose to root the phone (similar to Apple) in
> > order to use pirated apps.  Better yet, users must root the phone and
> > in so doing remove the legal ability to access some desirable piece of
> > software.
>
> Yeah there we are.  As far as I can see, the next step in preventing piracy
> is to not allow users to install apps outside of Market at all.
>
> We're not going to do that.
>
> If there are other suggestions that will actually make things harder without
> doing that, I would certainly like to hear them.  At this point people need
> to modify apps; once they are doing that, there aren't too many more things
> to do except make it harder to remove the illegal use check code out of the
> app.
>
> > I realize that it's easy for me to rant on about what I want, and very
> > difficult for Google to strike the right balance between open and
> > lucrative.  My fear at this point is that we're establishing a culture
> > of piracy on Android that is going to be difficult to turn around.
>
> Um there is a culture of piracy *everywhere*. :}
>
> If you are saying that because you think most people are pirating Android
> apps...  I think your perception of things is probably pretty off.  I know
> lots of people who have Android devices, and none of them even think of
> turning on the option to install from external sources, let alone go out and
> find pirated apps.
>
> --
> Dianne Hackborn
> Android framework engineer
> hack...@android.com
>
> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to
> provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails.  All such
> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and
> answer them.

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