Hello Richard:

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:28:39 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
wrote:

> 10 Dec 2001, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> SH> I think this operating system can be installed somehow from DOS,
> SH> but the book doesn't explain how, and the CD-ROM apparently has
> SH> no DOS-based partitioning program for Linux.
> Why do you need it ?!?

First I fdisked and formatted the hard drive by using DOS.  Then I
installed DOS on it so that I could install Windows from DOS.  The
only reason why I installed Windows on it was so that I could then
install OpenLinux on it.  The book doesn't describe how you can
install Linux from DOS except for the case where you can boot to the
CD-ROM drive.  My system does not allow booting to the CD-ROM drive.

> If your computer can boot from CD-ROM do so.
> If not, than make a bootdisk (rawhide bootdisk.img <I don't know the exact
> name of the disk image>)
> boot from it, and there you are

After installing DOS and before installing Windows I did that in order
to make a bootable Linux floppy.  I did succeed in booting to Linux
and accessing the CD-ROM drive from there.  After I got into the CD-ROM
drive I tried to figure out how to partition my hard drive to prepare
it for a Linux installation.  The book doesn't describe how to partition
the hard drive for Linux by using a Linux program.  The book says I
should use a Windows program named Partition Magic which was on the
CD-ROM drive.  I had to install Windows in order to install Partition
Magic.  If there were a DOS program on the CD-ROM drive for partitioning
the hard drive for Linux I would not have had to have installed Windows.
Also if there were a Linux partitioning program on the CD-ROM drive
I would not have had to have installed Windows.

> SH> I am very puzzled as to why Caldera would have produced a CD-ROM
> SH> for installing Linux from Windows instead of from DOS.
> I personally don't like caldera linux ...
> it is very 'graphic'

I also found it indeed very graphic.  The GUI for it known as KDE works
a lot like Windows.  I think there is a way to get to a command-line
box from there, but I haven't learned how yet.  Please don't explain.
I think I will be able to figure out this part on my own.

> SH> There still remained many empty directories and some files associated
> SH> with my Windows 95 installation.  I tried removing these directories
> SH> by using the DOS "rd" command.  This resulted in an error message
> SH> saying "directory not empty", even though an inspection revealed that
> SH> the directory was indeed empty.
> Either hidden files (h attrib) or the rest of long filenames.

No hidden files or read-only or system files.  Some of the so-called
long file names appeared to conform to the DOS 8.3 filename
specification, but DOS won't delete them because DOS thinks they are
long filenames.

> SH> Also I tried to delete some of the few remaining Windows files by
> SH> using the DOS "del" command.  I would get an error message saying
> SH> something to the effect that I could not delete files with long file
> SH> names.  Then I booted to A: using a WIN 95 boot disk. I couldn't
> SH> delete the files having long file names even when I used the WIN 95
> SH> version of DOS.
> Ähmm .. the first del has to be also win95 version of dos (dos 7.0)
> if not, it would have known nothing about LFNs.

I could not delete these unwanted files and empty directories even
after booting to a WIN 95 system floppy!

> SH> Also I could not delete the empty directories by using the "rd"
> SH> command.
> why not use linux to delete ?!?
> or run scandisk on the partition to clean remainings of LFNs ?!?

I haven't yet learned enough about Linux to know how to go about
doing this.  I have been thinking about running scandisk.  I can't
do that right now because the computer that I installed OpenLinux
on is located far away.  I will not be able to go there and use that
computer frequently.

Sam Heywood

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