First take on current status: With 7.6.04, Dev Studio enforces field IDs of custom fields to NOT overlap with BMC's reserved range.
Follow-ups will come for the plans for the future. archid is still a Cheers, Matt On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matt Laurenceau <matt.laurenc...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi. > > Very valuable convo indeed. > I pinged BMC R&D, they'll interact to help on ID governance (proposed or > enforced). > > Thanks, Matt > > http://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau<https://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau> > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Andrew C Goodall <ago...@jcpenney.com>wrote: > >> It would be nice if BMC helped drive that effort! >> >> I like the idea of the prefix - or perhaps some other flag to denote >> company creator. >> >> Can someone please explain why the default 536xxxx range is not a good >> choice for custom fields - thanks. >> >> Regards, >> >> Andrew Goodall >> Software Engineer 2 | Development Services | jcpenney . www.jcp.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:26 AM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> This thread is fascinating. I think this may be the forum to decide on >> a development standard for Database IDs so when we share workflow with >> each other, we are all using the same standard. >> >> Jennifer Meyer >> Remedy Technical Support Specialist >> State of North Carolina >> Office of Information Technology Services >> Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services >> Office: 919-754-6543 >> ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 >> jennifer.me...@nc.gov >> http://its.state.nc.us >> >> E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the >> North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties >> only by an authorized State Official. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:20 AM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Joe, >> Re. your rant about field IDs needing alphas. That would be a great >> idea if >> BMC could pull it off. >> The range of ID numbers that I use a pulled from the telephone keypad. >> TPAG forms all have ids that start 872400000 - 872499999 >> MRBC forms 672200000 - 672299999 etc >> When I get a prefix that would be below 536870912 (that number in burned >> into my memory) I add 1 as the left most digit 1536870912 which is still >> in >> the acceptable range for developers. >> >> The place this has failed me is when I want to reuse a modular >> form/workflow >> combination and the key field ID starts 8724xxxxx and the modular part >> is >> looking for a field id of 6722xxxxx. >> Makes me want to rethink it and build everything as if it will always >> interact with other objects in the system. >> >> --- >> John J. Reiser >> Remedy Developer/Administrator >> Senior Software Development Analyst >> Lockheed Martin - MS2 >> The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long. >> Pay close attention and be illuminated by its brilliance. - paraphrased >> by >> me >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:02 PM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Yup :-) I think that was when I first learnt the use of archgid.. >> >> Unfortunately we found it out at a customer that didn't have a separate >> development server.. Fortunately for them though, they had very few >> customizations that were lost and were able to redo it within a few >> days.. >> And they still didn't bother to invest in a development server after >> that.. >> Go figure.. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Meyer, Jennifer L >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:40 PM Newsgroups: >> public.remedy.arsystem.general >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> I remember that upgrade! >> >> Ahh, the good old days. >> >> Jennifer Meyer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:20 PM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> David, >> >> There was one version, I think when moving from 4 to 4.5 or somewhere >> thereabouts, where Remedy Engineering accidently used the starting >> non-reserved range 536,xxx,xxx that messed up some customizations that >> were >> done using that starting non reserved field ID's. Since that time my >> personal preference was never to use that, even if it is a trim field >> (line, >> >> box, text) you are creating.. Until then I happily used that range for >> those >> >> kind of fields. With the introduction of shared workflow, choosing your >> field ID's became even more important even for some trim fields like >> text >> fields.. >> >> So my personal preference was to use the 800,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 >> range >> but I see nothing wrong with starting from 600,xxx,xxx... >> >> Choosing this higher number deliberately, you can almost guarantee >> yourself >> that an accidental intrusion by BMC Softwares engineers on the >> 536,xxx,xxx >> in any future patches or releases will not impact your customization.. >> There >> >> is hardly a chance they would use the 600,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 range >> deliberately.. >> >> Cheers >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Durling >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:43 AM Newsgroups: >> public.remedy.arsystem.general >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Is starting at 600,000,000 just a convention people in the ARS community >> >> have chosen, or is there a real risk of running into a problem by >> starting >> at the 536,xxx,xxx range the system will use by default if you're >> creating a >> >> new form? >> >> According to KA315200, a field range of 536870913 to 2147483647 can be >> used >> for ARS 7.1 and 7.5. >> >> David Durling >> University of Georgia >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of White, Michael W (Mike) >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:20 PM >> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> > >> > "I seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for >> custom >> > development.". >> > >> > We roll our own and use that range. >> > >> > Mike White >> > EMail michael.wh...@verizon.com >> > Office 813.978.2192 >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan, Kelly >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:14 PM >> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> > >> > "One. . .Two. . .I think you're right. . ." >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20 PM >> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> > >> > Yeah, I meant 600 million. I still have trouble counting to 5 so >> numbers >> > larger >> > than that stump me. :) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:19 AM >> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> > >> > Huh. I suspect it's the number of digits in your ID that's causing >> the >> > issue. I >> > seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for custom >> > development. Field IDs 599,999,999 and below are for BMC's use, but I >> > don't >> > recall anything about using IDs above 1,000,000,000. >> > >> > Jennifer Meyer >> > Remedy Technical Support Specialist >> > State of North Carolina >> > Office of Information Technology Services Service Delivery Division >> ITSM & >> > ITAM Services >> > Office: 919-754-6543 >> > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 >> > jennifer.me...@nc.gov >> > http://its.state.nc.us >> > >> > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the >> North >> > Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties only >> by >> > an >> > authorized State Official. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:03 PM >> > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> > Subject: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> > >> > Hello Listers, >> > ARS 7.6.03 >> > MS SQL Server 2005 >> > VMWare Windows 2003 Enterprise >> > I've been working in the Dev Studio for a while and I keep getting the >> > following response when I create fields. >> > "You have specified an id for the following fields which is outside >> the >> > BMC >> > reserved range. Do you want to continue?" >> > I could see a warning for creating a field inside the range of >> reserved >> > field ids >> > but outside? >> > Is there a config setting in Dev Studio to stop this message? >> > The field ids that I use are all between 1,587,700,000 and >> 1,587,711,199 >> > >> > Thanks, >> > --- >> > John J. 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