Jennifer, you've got a very valid point. R&D now protects BMC range (with 7.6.04) to avoid major issues. Reserving ID ranges for every developer/company/region/country is for sure quite tricky, and I like the proposals :)
I have pinged bright minds at R&D to weigh in. Thanks for your engagement, Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities Follow me at @Matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Meyer, Jennifer L <jennifer.me...@nc.gov>wrote: > ** > > Thanks for talking with BMC, Matt. Personally, I don’t think a development > standard needs to be enforced at this time, but I think having BMC involved > in the discussion would be valuable in establishing Database ID development > best practices. > > > > Jennifer Meyer > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Matt Laurenceau > *Sent:* Friday, September 09, 2011 10:15 AM > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > ** First take on current status: > > With 7.6.04, Dev Studio enforces field IDs of custom fields to NOT overlap > with BMC's reserved range. > > Follow-ups will come for the plans for the future. > > archid is still a > > > > Cheers, Matt > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matt Laurenceau <matt.laurenc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Very valuable convo indeed. > > I pinged BMC R&D, they'll interact to help on ID governance (proposed or > enforced). > > > > Thanks, Matt > > http://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau<https://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Andrew C Goodall <ago...@jcpenney.com> > wrote: > > It would be nice if BMC helped drive that effort! > > I like the idea of the prefix - or perhaps some other flag to denote > company creator. > > Can someone please explain why the default 536xxxx range is not a good > choice for custom fields - thanks. > > Regards, > > Andrew Goodall > Software Engineer 2 | Development Services | jcpenney . www.jcp.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:26 AM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > This thread is fascinating. I think this may be the forum to decide on > a development standard for Database IDs so when we share workflow with > each other, we are all using the same standard. > > Jennifer Meyer > Remedy Technical Support Specialist > State of North Carolina > Office of Information Technology Services > Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services > Office: 919-754-6543 > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 > jennifer.me...@nc.gov > http://its.state.nc.us > > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties > only by an authorized State Official. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:20 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Joe, > Re. your rant about field IDs needing alphas. That would be a great > idea if > BMC could pull it off. > The range of ID numbers that I use a pulled from the telephone keypad. > TPAG forms all have ids that start 872400000 - 872499999 > MRBC forms 672200000 - 672299999 etc > When I get a prefix that would be below 536870912 (that number in burned > into my memory) I add 1 as the left most digit 1536870912 which is still > in > the acceptable range for developers. > > The place this has failed me is when I want to reuse a modular > form/workflow > combination and the key field ID starts 8724xxxxx and the modular part > is > looking for a field id of 6722xxxxx. > Makes me want to rethink it and build everything as if it will always > interact with other objects in the system. > > --- > John J. Reiser > Remedy Developer/Administrator > Senior Software Development Analyst > Lockheed Martin - MS2 > The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long. > Pay close attention and be illuminated by its brilliance. - paraphrased > by > me > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:02 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Yup :-) I think that was when I first learnt the use of archgid.. > > Unfortunately we found it out at a customer that didn't have a separate > development server.. Fortunately for them though, they had very few > customizations that were lost and were able to redo it within a few > days.. > And they still didn't bother to invest in a development server after > that.. > Go figure.. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Meyer, Jennifer L > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:40 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > I remember that upgrade! > > Ahh, the good old days. > > Jennifer Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:20 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > David, > > There was one version, I think when moving from 4 to 4.5 or somewhere > thereabouts, where Remedy Engineering accidently used the starting > non-reserved range 536,xxx,xxx that messed up some customizations that > were > done using that starting non reserved field ID's. Since that time my > personal preference was never to use that, even if it is a trim field > (line, > > box, text) you are creating.. Until then I happily used that range for > those > > kind of fields. With the introduction of shared workflow, choosing your > field ID's became even more important even for some trim fields like > text > fields.. > > So my personal preference was to use the 800,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 > range > but I see nothing wrong with starting from 600,xxx,xxx... > > Choosing this higher number deliberately, you can almost guarantee > yourself > that an accidental intrusion by BMC Softwares engineers on the > 536,xxx,xxx > in any future patches or releases will not impact your customization.. > There > > is hardly a chance they would use the 600,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 range > deliberately.. > > Cheers > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Durling > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:43 AM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Is starting at 600,000,000 just a convention people in the ARS community > > have chosen, or is there a real risk of running into a problem by > starting > at the 536,xxx,xxx range the system will use by default if you're > creating a > > new form? > > According to KA315200, a field range of 536870913 to 2147483647 can be > used > for ARS 7.1 and 7.5. > > David Durling > University of Georgia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of White, Michael W (Mike) > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:20 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > "I seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for > custom > > development.". > > > > We roll our own and use that range. > > > > Mike White > > EMail michael.wh...@verizon.com > > Office 813.978.2192 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Logan, Kelly > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:14 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > "One. . .Two. . .I think you're right. . ." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > Yeah, I meant 600 million. I still have trouble counting to 5 so > numbers > > larger > > than that stump me. :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:19 AM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > Huh. I suspect it's the number of digits in your ID that's causing > the > > issue. I > > seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for custom > > development. Field IDs 599,999,999 and below are for BMC's use, but I > > don't > > recall anything about using IDs above 1,000,000,000. > > > > Jennifer Meyer > > Remedy Technical Support Specialist > > State of North Carolina > > Office of Information Technology Services Service Delivery Division > ITSM & > > ITAM Services > > Office: 919-754-6543 > > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 > > jennifer.me...@nc.gov > > http://its.state.nc.us > > > > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > North > > Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties only > by > > an > > authorized State Official. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:03 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > > > Hello Listers, > > ARS 7.6.03 > > MS SQL Server 2005 > > VMWare Windows 2003 Enterprise > > I've been working in the Dev Studio for a while and I keep getting the > > following response when I create fields. > > "You have specified an id for the following fields which is outside > the > > BMC > > reserved range. Do you want to continue?" > > I could see a warning for creating a field inside the range of > reserved > > field ids > > but outside? > > Is there a config setting in Dev Studio to stop this message? > > The field ids that I use are all between 1,587,700,000 and > 1,587,711,199 > > > > Thanks, > > --- > > John J. 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