Werner the state runs such efficient offices as the DMV. Ever wait in line there?
Government oversight is a joke. We shouldn't even have a CAFRA. James Bradley had no one to answer to when building AP. How'd he do it with no government worker to help him along? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Where we split (I think, I'm not even sure) is that I don't say > > that they have had 3 years to build because the agreement was > > signed 10/2002. They couldn't do a thing without CAFRA, and that > > approval was about 16 months ago. That doesn't even consider those > > other layers of government they had to get approvals from. > > > > We are both criticizing Asbury Partners; I just think my criticism > > is more fair. > > Some additional facts to consider before making your conclusions: > > It is well known policy that various State agencies, CAFRA approval, > etc, needed to be in the loop to gain final appoval of the > redevelopment plan. The State encourages municipalities with > redevelopment projects to seek input and review from the applicable > State entities at the earliest opportunity to streamline the > overall approval process. > > In our case the plan and contract were negotiated in a vacuum between > the City and Asbury Partners with no guidance, input, or oversight by > any of the State agencies that everyone knew would eventually need to > sign off on the end product. > > The delay you are speaking of is the direct result of the City not > engaging the State at the earliest opportunity. I was in frequent > contact with my collegues at the State asking every few weeks if any > request for assitance or review had been received from Asbury Park. > The answer was alway no. > > Only after the 'Deal' was made between the City and the Partners was > any comment asked for from the State. To show you how disfunctional > the process was, comment was not even sought from internal departments > such as Public Works or the Fire Department. Never mind that we had > no City Planner or Engineer on staff at the time. > > As a result there were delays in approvals because the plan had to be > re-examined and changed after the principal parties thought it was > solid. Had all the 'stake holders' been involved from the begining, > final approval would have been much earlier. > > This just highlights the fact that the Council had no experiance in > redevelopment and were willing to be led by parties that may not have > had the City's best interests at heart. Keeping potential critics of > what you want to do at bay has been the standard practice of this > process from the begining. > > Timing wise, the City is now suffering from that choice. > > Werner ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
