I'd like to get a transcript of last nights broadcast and check the facts that
Tommy is
posting here. I wonder how accurate they are?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll give just one example out of many from last night. I could
> write a short book about the things he was wrong about.
>
> Let me tell you up front what to watch out for with Werner - even
> when he has facts right, it's his analysis of those facts and
> conclusions he draws from them that are wild. Understand the
> importance of that. Anyone can memorize Asbury Park facts. It
> isn'that hard. That doesn't make you "Historian." Analyzing the
> effect those facts had on the community is what separates a
> Historian from someone who simply aggregates data.
>
> Werner insisted last night that founder James A. Bradley wasn't
> responsible for the east/west segregation of Asbury. Even the host
> sounded a bit surprised and pressed him on it.
>
> Here is how wrong he is:
>
> *Bradly purchased Asbury up to where RailRoad Avenue was.
>
> *Across from there was a section known as "West Park."
>
> *The people in West Park were Blacks, Italians, Jews...basiaclly the
> ethnic minorities that were not yet seen as "White people"
>
> *The people in West Park lived in little huts (remember Mayor
> Sanders line in the last election about going from huts to homes?
> He was right about that, even though people out of the know blasted
> him for it).
>
>
> So how did Bradley treat those workers?
>
> He passed a law saying Black people were not allowed on the
> Boardwalk.
>
> He tried to pass a law saying that poor whites from the West weren't
> allowed on the Boardwalk, but said that unlike Blacks they have no
> distinguishing marks to tell them apart.
>
> He fired a band because the had an Italian Tuba player.
>
> The development of Asbury Park was PLANNED so that the East and West
> would be different, the West being the poorer community to supply
> workers to the East.
>
> He refused to continue the sewerage to the West Side.
>
> Notice the Catholic Churches were relegated away from Grand Avenue,
> which he kept as his favored houses of worship.
>
> I can show you newspaper reports as far back as the late 1800's
> about racial unrest in Asbury Park because of the way Black people
> felt they were mistreated by Bradley, who at that time ran
> everything here.
>
> So, here is the "historian" who knows all that I said above, and
> CONCLUDES that Bradley is NOT responsible for the Asbury Park's
> East/West segregation.
>
> Even when the host pressed him, he just said "Well he was a product
> of his times."
>
> THAT is the faulty analysis right there. "Product of his times" is
> an explaination of WHY he did it; it does mean he didn't do it,
> which is what Werner was trying to sell.
>
> The only logical conclusion is that the guy that set all that up is
> the guy responsible for it, regardless of his motives.
>
> What would lead Werner to say Bradly isn't responsible for his own
> racism and socio-economic segregation?
>
> Here is where I've warned he loses credibility as a historian: If
> people lose respect for Bradly the man, then when Werner yells,
> which he often does, that things we do today are contrary to what
> Bradley may have wanted, no one will care.
>
> You see, Werner has hung his hat on being the guy who defends
> Bradley's legacy. If Bradley becomes irrelevant, so does he.
>
> He has an agenda. He is willing to disort history (by saying Bradly
> was not responsible for segregation when he clearly was) just so his
> agenda does not get derailed.
>
> That is why I caution against his being "Historian" because he will
> distort history to further his agenda.
>
> That's the opposite of historian.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> >
> > I just don't get it.
> > As far as I can tell, Werner has only one agenda...preserving the
> > architectural and historic legacy of AP. What's wrong with that?
> > Unfortunately, it seems that the future of AP is written in stone,
> but
> > that doesn't mean that people can't still try and preserve what
> little
> > is left.
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "oakdorf" <oakdorf@> wrote:
> > >
> > > One of best ways to learn about AP hitory is to:
> > >
> > > 1. speak to the people who have lived here forever.
> > > 2. speak to the newbies
> > > 3. Go sit in the Library and start pulling microfilms out and
> begin
> > > reading the various publications from late 1800's.
> > > 4. then piece it all together. (Create the history)
> > > 5. Start over.
> > >
> >
>
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