Come on Allan. Tom could make a very positive impact on this
discussion if he chose to. He has the ability to bring a different
perspective than many others who "reside" here. On occassion I even
agree with his perspective - usually the few times he has chosen to
speak fact rather than distort it.
The reality is he has chosen to villify people and their ideas, most
notably and recently Jim Keady, based on half truths and outright
distortions. The fact that I am defending JK, when I really
disagree with just about everything he does and think he is also a
divisive force, should be an illustration of just how ridiculously
nasty and dishonest Tommy has been through out all of this. There
is plenty of fact to discuss. To the point made below, becoming as
vile and mean-spiritied in a town of this size has no place. It is
as if Tommy believes that posting on this board is different than
saying things to someone's face. It isn't.
Please let's get back to a healthy discussion of issues, both here
and in general.
To Tommy - please stop the blatant distortions and make the good
points you have in a way that is both constructive and credible.
Many would listen but have stopped.
To Jim - please stop the grandstanding and recommit yourself to
bringing together differing parts of this town to everyone's mutual
benefit. You are actually at a fundamental crossroads - to make a
difference for this town by stepping back and bringing people
together to meet in a place that works for everyone without leaning
to heavily toward anyone or to polarize and grandstand to build your
following at the expense in the end of those you claim to represent
and those you don't. The choice is yours alone.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I disagree that the Tom is to blame. One issue is when someone
does not share the same opinion as those who monopolize the board.
I have raised questions about the 200 Blood count, the plan for
obtaining tourism and items reported on Asbury radio. These three
examples have gone unanswered. Rather than people asking for the
questions they jump on things like the Casino is not rebuilt. Yes
we all want the buildings to sparkle but there are many issues. Tom
has supplied many answers and raised good questions. Placing blame
solely on him is incorrect.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Hinge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:56:20 AM
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: DeSeno - Clearing up the facts
>
> I think that the anger and viciousness that JK's wife is talking
about is destroying this
> message board.
> Before Tommy came on board, this was a fun place to visit, but
since then it's been about
> one thing, and one thing only.
> It's got to stop.
> And another thing, getting your information from the Asbury Park
Press is a big mistake.
> Please stop this smear campaign.
> You know what would be great, if people start talking about Asbury
as a whole again, and
> stop focusing on the just one issue.
> And Tommy, I think you should leave, before you do more damage to
your credibility.
> You still have your website and the TCN to spread your opinions.
Stop poisoning this
> place.
> Please?
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "kretzu" <lekretzu@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Tom DeSeno - I don't think you were at the last City Council
meeting,
> > so here is info that you don't have, which wasn't reported by
the
> > Press. Jim Keady proposed that $100,000 be earmarked, set aside
in
> > an escrow account, from the Community Development Fund.
Following
> > that, the community could come forth with proposals for
programming
> > or for infrastructure, and the Council would determine which
> > proposals had merit and should be pursued. He had brought this
up to
> > the Mayor at an earlier date. In the Press article, Mayor
Sanders
> > argues that Jim Keady doesn't know anyone at the West Side, and
Nancy
> > Shields didn't ask Jim for a comment. Jim has been involved at
the
> > West Side for at least a good year and a half. He has gone to
> > meetings there, has had extensive conversations with the former
> > Executive Director, director of fundraising and others.
> > Unfortunately, the whole story is rarely told in the papers.
> >
> > On a side note - as Jim Keady's wife, I have to tell you that
the
> > amount of anger and viciousness on this board at the hand of Tom
> > DeSeno and Fred (who I strongly suspect is Deputy Mayor Jim
Bruno)
> > has had a significant negative impact on me personally. I wrote
a
> > personal e-mail to Tom about this, but it doesn't appear to have
made
> > a difference. Criticizing an elected official's policies is good
and
> > everyone has a right and duty to do that. But Tom has been lying
> > about the facts in order to turn public opinion against an
elected
> > official in a place that he doesn't even call home.
> >
> > This shouldn't be the Rush Limbaugh show. Asbury Park is 1
square
> > mile and more or less, we all know each other. I know the
colleges
> > that Jim Bruno's daughter was looking at last year. And Jim and
I
> > went to see Tom DeSeno's kids in Scrooged last Christmas. So
when,
> > on this board, you get nasty and lie or manipulate the facts,
it's
> > personal and it's deeply, deeply hurtful.
> >
> > Leslie Kretzu
> > 608 Cookman Avenue
> >
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "justifiedright"
> > <justifiedright@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kevin are you intentionally missing the point? No one is
saying
> > they
> > > don't want to give the West Side Community Center $100,000.00.
> > >
> > > But you can't give away $100,000.00 to a private company on a
> > > motion, on a matter that isn't on the agenda.
> > >
> > > Please tell me you know that - you've run for office yourself.
> > >
> > > Jack - Kevin's post is a perfect example of why it was a cheap
> > > trick. Because there are people out there like Kevin, they
will
> > > think that only Keady wanted to help the West Side because he
> > rasied
> > > the motion and the others didn't becuase they didn't support
the
> > > motion, when in fact they couldn't because it was procedurally
> > wrong.
> > >
> > > Kevin proves the point more perfectly than I could say it.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Kevin Brown" <jerseykev@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tommy with all due respect, I think you are tainted and
should
> > not
> > > be
> > > > attempting to act as a nuetral journalistic observer in
these
> > > matters.
> > > >
> > > > I base this on your compensation recieved from the 4 council
> > > members
> > > > anti Keady - to whom you owe allegiance too.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the facts associated with your post, are apparently
the
> > > > thoughts of a mind that has not focused fairly on the
question
> > you
> > > > post. You say; you are going to "refrain" from making a
decision
> > > > until you hear from others, yet in your post you make your
> > > concrete
> > > > opinion well known.
> > > >
> > > > Giving the community on the west side $100,000.00 is a token
> > > amount.
> > > > The West Side has needed proper funding for many years.
> > > >
> > > > Turn your own tables over for a minute. Having Keady chair,
> > > should
> > > > make the transaction more palatable, unless you do not trust
> > keady?
> > > >
> > > > I say this to Giordano in Long Branch all the time; "You
have to
> > > > decide whether you want to be a councilman or a banker,
whenever
> > > his
> > > > bank and his role as a councilman/developm ent agent
conflict. He
> > > has
> > > > yet to get the message, and remains in questionable status
> > between
> > > > his Bank and His elected office.
> > > >
> > > > You on the other hand - can not dare represent a nuetral
tone
> > > between
> > > > the 4 councilman in with the MOB and the one outside (Keady)
when
> > > you
> > > > are being paid by the inside MOB!
> > > >
> > > > (My MOB reference is likened to a madding crowd and not the
> > > sicilian
> > > > black hand of corruption in local towns and governments. )
> > > >
> > > > These are just my thoughts, and you should take them beyond
a
> > > grain
> > > > of salt and a dash of tobasco!
> > > >
> > > > The best way for harmony to come to the asbury park council
is to
> > > > recall one of the 4 and add another member like Keady. That
will
> > > > give you some protection from the status quo of the last
decade.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > KB
> > > > www.asburyparknj. com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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