VICTIM!
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:41 PM, justifiedright wrote:
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "jwkeady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mr. Deseno,
> >
> > I never ceases to amaze me how someone like yourself, who makes
> >their
> > living in a profession that demands factual basis for argument, has
> > such a disdain for accurate and truthful statements.
>
> Mr. Keady, must you start off personalizing?
>
> Speaking of, I note that twice you remark about my grammar in the
> post below. I've said many times I post here for leisure. I have
> jobs where grammar and spelling are important, and this isn't one of
> them.
>
> Also when I come across someone not to my own standard for grammar,
> never would I take him or her to task for it in public. I treat
> people with dignity and respect.
>
> Since it appears important to you though, should you ever wish to
> engage in a contest where proper grammar in writing is the score,
> just let me know when and where the game begins.
>
> Now on to substance.
>
> You said this:
>
> > You wrote:
> >
> > "So you don't think the City should expend any money on cultural
> > events."
> >
> > I never said this. Please go back to my previous email and
> >document
> > where I made this statement. I was clear about religious and
> pseudo-
> > religious events. I also was clear about why I took issue with a
> > specific cultural event, Columbus Day.
>
> Oh I see, Mr. Keady. You hide your objection to Kwanzaa on "quasi-
> religious." So you disagree with many on this board (as well as Ron
> Karenga's Kwanzaa website) that it is neither religious nor a
> replacement for religion.
>
> Fear not though - the folks on this board who see you in Messiah-like
> fashion will not score their disagreement against you. They will
> just use it as an excuse to rail at me at the mere thought of having
> to disagree with you.
>
> Religious vs Cultural aside, I understand you to stand against he
> City's expenditure of funds for Kwanzaa.
>
> As I understand you, the reason you go public on the dais against
> Columbus Day and not Kwanzaa is that you feel the full story about
> Columbus is not told. You think of him poorly.
>
> Let's put aside that I've alerted you to all the "bad" information we
> have about Columbus came from his arch-rival, De Bobadilla, whose
> claims were debunked back in his own time (yet resurrected today by
> those who wish American history was bad). We can argue that again
> next October.
>
> Right now I'm interested in your excuse for bashing just my culture
> as opposed to others.
>
> You say it is because we don't teach the bad parts of Columbus.
>
> Well, Ron Karenga the founder of Kwanzaa, was convicted of kidnapping
> and torturing two minority women, beating them with cords, putting
> hot irons in their mouths and making them drink detergent. A
> shocking display of misogyny, cowardice, power, lack of compassion
> and inhumane action (WWJD?).
>
> If your excuse for railing against Columbus each year is we should
> include his bad story in our Columbus celebration, why do you not
> rail with equal vigor that we include Dr. Karenga's horribleness in
> the Kwanzaa celebration?
>
> Please tell me you have some legitimate excuse to clear up this
> glaringly hypocritical position?
>
> Oh by the way - the Catholic Church financed much of Columbus' trip.
> Did you rail against the church when we were trying to become a
> Deacon?
>
> > As I shared in my earlier email, I do not support the City's
> > expending of any tax-dollars on Christmas, so, your above question
> >to
> > me is moot.
>
> Then what about your thoughts on the private entity, the Chamber,
> making a decision to excise the name "Christmas" from their
> celebration while still using trees with lights, stars, wrapped
> presents and Santa Claus?
>
> Do you support the co-opting of culture and changing its name?
>
> > On a more personal level, as a fellow Christian, I do not think
> >that
> > we need the State to edify (by celebrating Christmas) our counter-
> > cultural commitments to following the "Good News" of a radical,
> > itinerant preacher from Galilee (Jesus). When it comes to this, I
> > think the sage advice of St. Francis of Assisi is worthy of
> > consideration. Francis said, "Preach the Gospel at all times and
> > when necessary use words."
>
> I seem to recall denying Jesus 3 times before the cock crows being a
> bad thing too.
>
>
>
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