Contractors and consultants come to make money - i.e profit.
*** No one would hold a consultant or a
contractor guilty of anything IF they are
RENDERING the services or SUPPLYING the goods
they are paid to. And if the services are
rendered and goods supplied for compensation
dispensed, then it would be VISIBLE. Or so one
might expect. Thus there will be no cause for
complaint.
The cause for complaints arise when the services
or the goods are nowhere to be found, or are
sub-standard, while the monies are gone.
I did NOT make the charge that "--a few Axomiya
officers and politicians have become rich at the
expense of these villagers."
No doubt they have. But to charge ONLY "-- a few
AXomiya --" of the crimes, while letting the
really big fish off the hook belies an agenda
designed to
make the political point that the Center's
dereliction of its duties is NOT an issue, while
Oxomiya misdeeds are the REAL reasons for Oxomiya
disaffections.
That is what I pointed out.
This is the way our Ulfa categorizes ALL
Non-assamese into an "Indian" category >vs. the
locals. Is that why you mentioned "Indian"
consultants.
*** I don't know how ULFA categorizes them, but yes, I did mention "Indian"
contractors -- because they are indeed some of
the biggest and most important beneficiaries of
desi-demokrasy's unaccountable
steal-from-the-many-to-enrich-a-few policy that
Assam and its contiguous regions have reeled
under since independence. It is quite irrelevant
whether it has been intentional or merely an
unintended outcome. But it has been the NET
result and that is what counts.
I will however remain corrected, on this issue,
as well as the others that I responded to
earlier, if someone can present a more credible
explanation.
cm
At 4:32 AM -0800 11/24/06, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
Contractors and consultants come to make money -
i.e profit. They are not here to do charity.
There is a difference between rendering a
service to make profit vs. stealing money thats
not yours. Even if beparis stole money in the
name of profit, there would have been some of
our local people within the system who got a cut
and aided them in the process.
Most of us are abroad for the same reason of
making money I guess. In that case, can I accuse
you of stealing an American's job and giving it
to yourself (i.e. exploitation). What
justification would you have in case tomorrow
there were to be a backlash against all Indians
in America? Would you plead and cry to say you
that you came in legally and did part of your
education there and became a naturalized
citizen, contributed to the economy, paid taxes,
your children were born there and so on and so
forth? Why should anyone listen to you?
This is the way our Ulfa categorizes ALL
Non-assamese into an "Indian" category vs. the
locals. Is that why you mentioned "Indian"
consultants.
Rgds,
SD
----- Original Message ----
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: assam@assamnet.org
Cc: SANDIP DUTTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Saikia,
Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Rajen & Ajanta
Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
assamonline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:23:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
>- but we need to know where all the central
money is disappearing and how a few >Axomiya
officers and politicians have become rich at the
expense of these >villagers.
*** Two questions here: HOW would we KNOW? WHAT
tools do we have with which to unearth that
information?
And how do we know that a few Oxomiya 'officers'
alone are stealing us blind? How do we know that
it is not going RIGHT OUT of Assam thru Indian
contarctors, consultants, and a variety of
traders and 'beparis'-- just to name a few --
that have had Assam govts. past and present
under their controls, albeit from the shadows?
>Poor villagers dont have the means to question or verify.
*** How about the urban middle class that are
the real movers and shakers? Do THEY have the
means? If they do, do they care or not? And if
NOT, why?
>DESI-DEMOKRASY not working perhaps...
*** Perhaps? Are there doubts? Something else
perhaps? I press the issue, because if society's
backbone is not up to acknowledge where the
problems lie, how will they ever find solutions?
>.but then its not AUTOKRASY where centre will
hold local officials by the neck >and demand
where the money went.
*** That implies that UNLESS it is an AUTOCRACY,
the people who CONTROL the purse strings, could
not or would not have the means to dispense
their duties, of being responsible for making
sure that the resources they COLLECT from the
PEOPLE and re-distribute -- is done properly so
that the PEOPLE can benefit from it?
It is a VERY LARGE RESPONSIBILITY! But is the
Center exercising , delivering on THAT
responsibility? Is it RESPONSIBLE to turn and
say from this point on it is YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY, while doing NOTHING to give the
people the TOOLS they need to make sure they get
the benefit of what comes to them?
That would lead one to ask further--if AUTOCRACY
is the ONLY way to to dispense their duties, why
are they and their supporters keep singing the
virtues of the dysfunctional desi-demokrasy? Why
do they attempt to portray what is dysfunctional
as something BETTER, something more honorable,
than what is purportedly effective ?
After all, democracy, autocracy etc. are TOOLS,
MEANS to certain ends and NOT ends unto
themselves, are they?
>I am sure that all of us would know a few such
people who have had positions of >importance in
the government and have exploited them to the
hilt to fatten >their own kitties.
*** I would even venture to suggest that a very
large segment of those who have risen to be able
to air their complaints, but are clueless about
what to do about it, are also the beneficiaries
of the same dysfunctional system of stealing
from the many to enrich a few.
It is about time to UNDERSTAND the source of the
problems and work to CHANGE what is
dysfunctional.
cm
At 2:53 AM -0800 11/23/06, SANDIP DUTTA wrote:
5 decades of exploitation yeah - but we need to
know where all the central money is
disappearing and how a few Axomiya officers and
politicians have become rich at the expense of
these villagers.
Its very easy. Siphon off all the money and
then tell the villagers that the Centre is
neglecting. Poor villagers dont have the means
to question or verify. Neither does the centre
have a band of rabble-rousers who will answer
all the allegations because they themselves are
unsure of where the money is actually going.
DESI-DEMOKRASY not working perhaps....but then
its not AUTOKRASY where centre will hold local
officials by the neck and demand where the
money went.
I am sure that all of us would know a few such
people who have had positions of importance in
the government and have exploited them to the
hilt to fatten their own kitties.
Rgds,
Sandip
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From: "Saikia, Hrishikesh IN BLR SISL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
assamonline@yahoogroups.com; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:02:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
1) Villagers support ULFA because of 5
decades of exploitation , and that cannot be
the sufficient justification to prove that
jungle rule prevails in ASSAM. What about the
systematic torture of our people, forgot AFSPA.
2) Does a non-vegetarian represent
jungli. If that is the case then we all are
jungli and jungle rule prevails in the name of
huminity.
Milk, anything prepared with onion, oil
or any masala is non-veg food, forget abt meat
.We don't need any gujrati or marwari to define
veg and
non-veg.
Let me tell you where jungle rule prevails:
1) Female Foeticide among the people who
are/were from the cow belt region is highest.
Even if the individual was from jalandhar and
stays at bangalore it does not matter. They
have that animal instinct .
2) Dowry is disgrace to our society thus
to india and I don't know how india represent
UN with 100crore-7 crore(NE)= 93 crore annulled
population .
3) caste is such a sticky factor among the indians - NE .
JAI AAI AXOM
-----Original Message-----
From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:50 AM
To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com; assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
1) Jungle rule - I would say yes, and will not be difficult to prove..
2) Many villagers support ULFA - was correct till few years ago
3) We all NEs eat fish and chicken. Some NEs eat dog, snake, etc also.
So where do we see the problem in such accusation.
Why should one feel bad. Incidently the Chinese
have a reputation that they eat everything that
moves.
Media cannot do anything by trying to publicise
wrong statements that we donot have Jungle
rule, that we donot support ULFA, that some of
us donot eat dog and snakes.
We need to change our views how not to feel
ashamed at such accusation but how we can
defend ourselves. I am talking about # 3).
We defenitley need to do somthing how to stop
our Jungle rule and start a democratic
civilized rule.
Rajen Barua
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From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Debojyoti Bordoloi
To: <mailto:assamonline@yahoogroups.com>assamonline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
Apart from things like literacy rate n all,
what is really a matter of grave concern is the
picture of Assam in particular and North-East
as a whole,painted by the masses of so-called
developed cities and metros of India. According
to them,Assam is a land where JUNGLE rule still
prevails,each and every household in the
interior corners of the state is having atleast
one underground family member who is fighting
against the state and people from these places
eat everything on the planet.This is really
very disgusting at this age when media in any
form virtually rules every thing in the society
and we are performing in this regard very
poorly.So, i feel that we should take some
stern action in this direction and our media
should promote our State in a better way at the
outset so that we also become a name to reckon
with on the national scene with all our good
qualities,resources and our heritage et.all.
debajyoti
samudra gupta kashyap
<<mailto:sg_kashyap%40rediffmail.com>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
il.com> wrote:
mrinal talukdar is right!
It is not correct to presume that everything is
wrong here on the banks of the brahmaputra.
mrinal has already pointed at some of the
numerous positive things that are happening
here. what is lacking is a bold civil society
which wakes up to push aside a handful of
self-appointed saviours of assam who have
negatively influenced the assamese mindset and
woven myths that only drag all of us backwards
instead of contributing towards emancipation of
this wonderful ethnic mix called assamese.
people in assam are today willing to say a big
No to the bandh culture. people want to climb
the ladder of human development in all aspects
(it is also true that assam ranks 15th among
the indian states in terms of male literacy and
13th in terms of female literacy? do you know
life expectancy at birth of assamese males is
just 58 years 350 days against all-india
average of 63 years 317 days and biar's 65
years 240 days? and that the average assam
woman lives only 60 years 317 days against
all-india average of 66 years 332 days, and
bihar's 64 years 288 days? it is also true that
people like moni manik gogoi, who gave up ulfa
(but did not become a sulfa) on finding that it
was a stupid thing to take up arms, and has in
the past six or seven years transformed the
economy of dozens of villages near naharkatiya.
)
what assam needs is a program that can change
the mindset of the people. also required is a
new generation of leaders wo are literate,
forward-looking, committed, ready to sacrifice
and also face criticism, and believes that the
assamese too is a global citizen and not a
nador bhekuli.
please come and do something, if you feel like,
on these areas -- areas of human development
and also on areas of leadership development.
Samudra Gupta Kashyap/Guwahati
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