> Beating about the bush or what?
*** I don't ever need to beat around the bush. Going right to the soft underbelly is my style :-). And keeping right up: Is hanging together as a nation by tattered threads, at the cost of thousands and thousands of fellow Indians' lives, much of an achievement? > Have you forgotten the recent killings in Goalpara in which the lives of >39 >unarmed civilians were cut short,while they were fast asleep? Do I >have to >remind you the Kukurmara reserve forest maasacre,where diabolic >killers dragged >35 Hindi-speaking citizens from a truck,lined them up and >shot them in cold >blood? Is this a sign of unflinching bravery or a >lily-livered stance ? In J&K,>how can one stand to cut off another human >being's head ,that too of a >non-combatant civilian? *** The problem goes like this: It is patently stupid national policy to let disaffections turn into violent insurgency movements. Once that genie is unleashed, there is no telling what might ensue. I don't condone the atrocities referred to for a moment. But why did India let things get to where they have gotten? And talking of atrocities, do insurgents hold the corner in that market? What is Indian armed forces record? What is the police's record? And what about influential civillians' role, as might be reflected in comments of smug disdain like :"--But their numbers are few and far between.I am sure, they will be put to sleep in due course of time." Also, the comment >> those are the people who are courageuos<< is contextual to what I wrote in re: the expatriates' gratitude, after they fled. > >> what does that have to do with educated Indians FLEENING the >country?Why do they do so?<< > > The moral of the story is simple.It is the human tendency to opt for the >cushier option and that's why we emigrated from India in the first >place.That is why the British,the German and other Europeans stand poised >to leave for the better shores.Should we surmise that the entire Europe is >a land of mendicant ,mystics and miseries with no development whatsoever? *** We hardly need the moral of the argument above to be told. It sits on our faces, really. It was not I who attempted to make the flight out of the country a virtue; and an Indian achievement. >> when was India a NATION,like it today?<< > > " One could play a semantic games here and ask what a nation is. *** Again, it was not *I* who claimed " A nation is inseparable from its primeval and psychological territory---the land of its ancestry--" or attempted to play with semantics. All I asked is show me how THAT nation of YOUR ancestry is today's India. BTW, I think you make good points with your observations in re: the desi-Diaspora's clout in the USA, or more precisely the lack of it. I also think you are right about " Advocacy for one's ethnic group requires group ! participation,a skill that Indians have not acquired, despite their closing ranks" But WHY is that so? Ever thought of that? They are a cofused lot for sure, FoBs that is, the like of us. Luckily MOST of the American borns are nearly not as messed up as their parents, except those who are raised in a closed environment by their totally messed up parents. The answer might be enlightening. cm At 2:03 PM -0500 11/17/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >In a message dated 11/15/02 9:37:14 PM Central Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > >There HAVE to be some good things happening, even in India :-). However the > good , the achievements, we saw touted are dubious distinctions at best. Is > hanging together as a nation by tattered threads, at the cost of thousands > and thousands of fellow Indians' lives, much of an achievement? That was<< > > > > Beating about the bush or what? Let me start afresh.The >question,raised by MR.Das was---" what are India's achievments since 1947? >Please list the good ones".Mark the word "good ones".Let me rephrase the >question: Has India come a long way since 1947? My answer was--yes,she >has.It may be argued that it still has a long way to go in practically in >all fields of endeavour but that should not distract us from the >successes,which are stupendous. > > >> those are the people who are courageuos<< > > Have you forgotten the recent killings in Goalpara in which the lives of >39 unarmed civilians were cut short,while they were fast asleep? Do I have >to remind you the Kukurmara reserve forest maasacre,where diabolic killers >dragged 35 Hindi-speaking citizens from a truck,lined them up and shot >them in cold blood? Is this a sign of unflinching bravery or a >lily-livered stance ? In J&K,how can one stand to cut off another human >being's head ,that too of a non-combatant civilian? Speaks volume of their >mental makeup.How courageous are they,when they are snuggled themselves in >their accustomed luxury abroad? > > >> what does that have to do with educated Indians FLEENING the >country?Why do they do so?<< > > The moral of the story is simple.It is the human tendency to opt for the >cushier option and that's why we emigrated from India in the first >place.That is why the British,the German and other Europeans stand poised >to leave for the better shores.Should we surmise that the entire Europe is >a land of mendicant ,mystics and miseries with no development whatsoever? > > >> when was India a NATION,like it today?<< > > " One could play a semantic games here and ask what a nation is.Is the US >one?Is China one? Russia? Who knows? > Regards > KJD > >
