Umesh:
So with that analogy -- it doesn't seem that US is taking that extreme step -- so does US really blame Modi for hindu-muslim riots. I do not see US doing anything when riots are going on anywhere - unless the terrorists bomb US -like in Sep11.
There are limits, boundaries which even a Bush admin. or
Wolfowitz or Rumsfeldt would not cross, and should not. The pogrom of
Muslims in Gujarat is a horrible stigma to the Indian civilization.
But that notwithstanding, the USA cannot and should not attempt to
intervene militarily. It should have ( I don't know if it did)
intervened diplomatically. My guess would be is that it did, perhaps
to no avail. But that is not an US failure: It was a singularly Indian
failure.
Therefore, your doubts, as expressed in the question" So why
this nonsense?" is an illustration of more of the same: An
appalling Indian disregard to the rule of law.
c-da
At 2:24 AM +0000 3/19/05, umesh sharma wrote:
C-da,
I cannot agree or disagree with you since the issue u mention about Indira Gnadhi and Indian Americans reactions about many issues - since I do not know anything about them.
However, I would say that if my neighbour is butchering his or her children -- I would enter by force --and stop her/him.
So with that analogy -- it doesn't seem that US is taking that extreme step -- so does US really blame Modi for hindu-muslim riots. I do not see US doing anything when riots are going on anywhere - unless the terrorists bomb US -like in Sep11.
So why this nonsense?
Umesh
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Umesh:At 9:58 PM +0000 3/18/05, umesh sharma wrote:
C-da,
I am not an expert on international visa law- but if we start giving visas based on our perception of what happens in other countries --then I would say that we are interfering in the affairs of that nation.
*** There is no such thing as Int'l Visa Laws. Each country has its own rules, and often have agreements or understandings for reciprocity etc. with other countries. And the more powerful or influential a nation is, the more arbitrary they can get about what they choose to do.However the US not granting a visa to Modi or whoever, does not constitute interference with another country's internal affairs. That complaint of interfering with the internal affairs of another country usually emanates from people attempting to keep their internal dirt under their rug. Unfortunately, or fortunately in this case :-), there are people here in the USA who have an interest in what goes on in India. I am certainly pleased to see that the progressive desis here including Muslims ( I don't automatically exclude them)chose to raise their voice and send a signal.Not that it is going to hurt Modi. If anything he will now be a greater hero to all his supporters, all those rioteous :-) Hindus who believe that India is theirs and Muslims don't belong there. Who knows, he might become the supreme leader of the BJP now.
I do not know whether it is supposed to be ethical that if there is a fight going on in a neighbor's house -- then you stop letting a member from that family into your own house. That is what Modi's visa stoppal amounts to be.
*** Good analogy. What do you think? Would you consider your neighborly and human duty to interfere with the guy next-door attempting to butcher his children? What do you think of Indira Gandhi's interfering with Pakistan's internal affair when they were slaughtering B'Deshis?c-da
Umesh
PS: I mentioned about the truth being what the powerful say -- an instance -- the Union Carbide (USA's MNC) killed 10,000 people in Bhopal in Dec 1984 and maimed 200,000 (and thats a very hard and concrete fact) .
Still India dare not ban it from its land --for the fear that all US based MNCs would stop coming to India or that India would stop getting defense supplies from powerful USA. If India had been powerful - its truth would have prevailed and Union Carbide (and its current owner Dupont) would be banned from India. But weak India cannot implement something which is the truest of the truths*** Business-interests often trump justice, doesn't it? What do you think of it?
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What is your belief, Umesh?
And how do your colleagues at Harvard view it, if you have discussed?
At 7:02 PM +0000 3/18/05, umesh sharma wrote:
Modi should be ready to reap what he sowed -or what he seemed to sow. truth is what the powerful believe.
Umesh
Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
US denies visa to Modi, India lodges protest
INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, MARCH 18, 2005 06:32:13 PM ]
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NEW DELHI: India on Friday lodged a strong protest to the US for its "uncalled for" decision to deny visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and sought an "urgent reconsideration".
The US had rejected Modi's application for a diplomatic visa, saying his proposed visit failed to meet the conditions for such a permit.
The consulate also revoked the tourist/business visa already granted to Modi, the US embassy spokesperson David Keneddy said, apparently for ignoring widespread anti-Muslim killings in his state in 2002.
"Mr Modi's existing tourist/business visa was revoked under section 212 (A) (2) (G) of the Immigration And Nationality Act," Keneddy said.
"This section makes any foreign government official who 'was responsible for or directly carried ou! ! t, at a! ny time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom' ineligible for a visa."
Hours after the US revoked Modi's tourist/business visa, issued in 1998, and denied him diplomatic visa to travel to that country on Sunday, External Affairs Ministry summoned US Head of Mission and conveyed its protest.
US Deputy Chief of Mission Robert Blake, who met Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran for 30 minutes, said that he had explained the reasons for the decision and India had asked Washington to review it.
External Affairs Ministry spokesman Navtej Sarna told reporters that the US Embassy action was "uncalled for and displays lack of courtesy and sensitivity towards a constitutionally-elected chief minister of a state of India".
The Ministry of External Affairs called the Head of the Mission to lodge a strong protest against the denial of visa to Modi and requested "urgent reconsideration" of the decision, he said.
Sarna said government "expressed its deep concern and regret that the US embassy has denied a visa to Narendra Modi, honourable Chief Minister of Gujarat to the US for an event organised by the Asian-American Hotel Owners' Association".
The Spokesman said the visa had been requested by the Ministry through a Note Verbale to the US Embassy on February 28 this year.
Asked about the US response, the Spokesman said that Blake had promised to convey this to his authorities including the request for reconsideration and to revert.
Blake said Saran "expressed Government of India's concern and regret over the decision the US government took."
Blake said he explained to Sarna that it was based on American law. Blake said t! ! he Fore! ign Secretary suggested that the US should review the decision because of Government of India's concern.
Noting that he would report it back to Washington, Blake evaded a reply when asked whether the US would review the decision.
Earlier in the day, External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh had said India would take up the issue with the US.
Singh is also believed to have met Prime Minister Manmohan Singh over the issue.
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