If someone need only economic improvement
for Assam, I already showed how to demand 10% oil royalty from Assam crude and
get Rs.6000 cores per year for Assam enough I think for salary, roads and
corruption.
That is I say a much more achievable and
practical goal for Assam. Let the ugly Indians extract the oil, and pay
us.
But No. I don't think that will interest
the Assamese public.
Because that way they will not be able to
blame GOI for its misery.
I say Hobo Diok.
Rajen Barua
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rajib Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: [Assam] Reasons for
Independence
>
> > I am also assuming that those who consider Singapore a
> > role model are emphasising economic improvement not
> > political freedom, aren't we?
>
> You brought up some salient points. In fact, so salient, that it goes
> to the heart of many of our discussions on independence & autonomy.
> Those who are seeking independence are outwardly saying its political
> freedom, but inwardly, they would mix everything up and hanker for a
> Singapore or Taiwan.
>
> Any why the disconnect? If people demanded economic freedom, or
> prosperity, they would in turn be asked: What is your contribution to
> this effort?, What have you done so far? They would have no answer.
>
> Ah! but frame it as something different, like 'political freedom' or
> ethinic freedom, and all of a sudden, they have reached the likes of
> Gandhi or Mandela. They now can try and get the big powers, the UN etc
> to intervene and set up parleys.
>
> The Palestinian issue, the Kasmiri issue or any of our NE groups.
> Their goals are economics & wealth, but message sent out is ethinicity
> or 'culturally different'.
>
> This farce cannot go on. People who are so ardent about Assam's
> independence (or autonomy) should come out with logical, cohesive,
> concise language as to the definitions, who are they seeking to free,
> what it entails, what it costs, what are the plans, and what kind of
> system of governance will they have in this Sangrilla.
>
> Otherwise, all this amounts to very little.
>
> --Ram
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/19/05, Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I wonder why some folks think curtailing of rights is
> > ok with India (or Assam) and not ok when GW Bush goes
> > around brandishing the Patriots Act in the country
> > they live in!
> >
> > If we are to going by Singapore's model, if they can
> > whip a boy for spray painting, I wonder what they
> > would do to "boys" that brandish guns and kill others.
> > Incidentally also I hear (in whispers in Singapore),
> > the original dictator of Singapore Lee Kwan Yew
> > controls more than 50% of available real estate in
> > Singapore.
> >
> > Further, since we are talking Singapore, it is a tiny
> > little country in peril. The biggest problem they face
> > is they don't know how to remain relevant in an age
> > where giants in its neighbourhood have woken up - even
> > Malaysia gives them the shivers when right across the
> > sea Malaysia offers port facilities at one third the
> > price. Their solution to the problem is the leader of
> > the country going on TV to dictate to the citizens to
> > "think laterally". New business ideas, technologies or
> > even great artists are not exactly born in Singapore.
> > Giving the example of Singapore in these times is
> > somewhat of a joke. In 50 years time it will go back
> > to being the dirty port it was unless someone
> > discovers a way to make itself relevant again.
> >
> > I am also assuming that those who consider Singapore a
> > role model are emphasising economic improvement not
> > political freedom, aren't we? So is that what is the
> > core of the problem in Assam or are we changing tune
> > again?
> >
> > Also there is Lee Kwan Yew's Singapore. And then there
> > is Idi Amin's Uganda and Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe. It
> > becomes a credible point for discussion if we are
> > somehow to determine who exactly is going to be
> > Assam's Lee Kwan Yew. At this point the potential
> > candidates are limited and to an extent we understand
> > their capabilities.
> >
> > Since this person would not exactly be chosen by the
> > complete, unfettered free will of the people of Assam,
> > what are the chances we would land up with an Idi Amin
> > instead of a Lee Kwan Yew? My bet is with the former.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > C'da
> > >
> > > > Are you getting into the Texas shhotiong from the
> > > hip mode too?
> > >
> > > Yup! we Texans shoot first, ask questions later :-)
> > >
> > > You are right, must have confused Singapore to some
> > > other country.
> > > Asides that, though the facts still remain., ie
> > > solutions that work in
> > > Singapore may not work for country like India,
> > > specially the
> > > curtailing of 'rights' part.
> > >
> > > The closest we came to something like that was
> > > during Indira's
> > > emergency. Few liked it, and during those 2 years,
> > > India actually lost
> > > productivity (I read this some years ago, could be
> > > wrong)
> > >
> > > >That is why those who want to govern themselves
> > > better ought to be
> > > able to do >so, as either smaller independent units
> > > or truly
> > > autonomous smaller entities-- >like Assam.
> > >
> > > I agree with you on the autonomous part. Though, I
> > > am not sure if the
> > > 'govern' part will work well for some states (like
> > > Bihar). Maybe,
> > > autonomy should be given in small portions, and see
> > > how it works.
> > >
> > > You know, 'give a man enough rope, and he will hang
> > > himself' shouldn't
> > > be the motto. Autonomy for the sake of better
> > > goveranace, I agree, but
> > > NOT autonomy for autonomy's sake.
> > >
> > > --Ram
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Ram:
> > > >
> > > > Are you getting into the Texas shhotiong from the
> > > hip mode too?
> > > >
> > > > >-- its a country by itself and is ruled basically
> > > by a dictator.
> > > >
> > > > Look up:
> > > http://www.travelblog.org/World/sn-gov.html
> > > >
> > > > Singapore is a Pariliamentary Republic, with the
> > > President, the CEO, elected
> > > > democratically. The Parliament is too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You also complained that Singapore is very
> > > small--thus not fair to compare it
> > > > with India. Well, duh! Why do you think some of us
> > > have been attempting to
> > > > explain, to no avail, that India's size and
> > > diversity is an impediment to its
> > > > governance and its progress. That is why those
> > > who want to govern
> > > > themselves better ought to be able to do so, as
> > > either smaller independent
> > > > units or truly autonomous smaller entities-- like
> > > Assam. And in areas where
> > > > size is an advantage, they can have treaties, such
> > > as for trade, or defense, as
> > > > a federation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Date: 2005/05/19 Thu AM 01:42:00 EDT
> > > > > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > CC: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Assam] It takes a village
> > > > >
> > > > > KJD,
> > > > >
> > > > > In the case of Singapore, its a country by
> > > itself and is ruled
> > > > > basically by a dictator. Thus the government is
> > > answerable to itself,
> > > > > and people have no rights, and bureaucracy is
> > > cut-short.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for Guwahati, the size may be small compared
> > > to a Singapore, but
> > > > > the City is answerable in some capacity to the
> > > the DC, the GOA, which
> > > > > in turn to the GOI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its not as if the mayor of Guwahati can rule
> > > with an iron fist to
> > > > > enforce cleaniness.
> > > > > In Singapore even chewing gum is banned (so I
> > > have heard). Do you
> > > > > think its possible for the mayor, the CM,
> > > Governor or even the PM ban
> > > > > tamul-paan chewing?
> > > > >
> > > > > --Ram
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/18/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sarangapani,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What disadvantage does the city of Guwahati
> > > have ,in terms of size,which
> > > > > > renders it to remain so unclean? I wonder!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > KJD
> > > > > >
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