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No. I
am simply characterizing the nature of power structure in India in reality.
The
reason is I do it is because I often find this particular strand of thought on
this net:
"you
guys are too pessimistic, glass half full; everything is looking up with India,
look what a great democracy, and changing so fast, with high economic growth -
well, surely, all of this will trickle down to north east India and the
vestiges of centralization of power will gradually dissolve in a Hindi film like
song and dance sequence, democracy will percolate to the grassroots; just wait
and participate rationally in what the existing structure offers
you - and everything will be fine in the long run".
Well,
it won't. Just as the Chinese totalitarian state won't change its essential
nature without a radical earth shattering jolt ( a point well recognized in the
western media now), the Indian state will not budge an inch on its essential
centralized nature unless there is a big jolt.
Am I
calling for the latter? Am I praying for a revolution? You
bet.
This
time its not day dreaming. Its the only hope. Just because hope is unlikely, one
does not embrace falsehood.
Santanu.
>.I have been trying to impress for a long time -
that forget about independence or autonomy, even getting the GOI
to genuinely transfer a minimal set of economic >assets and
powers to the state through a constitutional amendment will be resisted with
as great ferocity by the corridors of power
in Delhi as they would resist a >demand for secession.
I could not quite understand what you
are trying to imply here. Are you trying to say that there is no point in
trying for constitutional amendment because that is also going to
resisted by Delhi with same ferocity as the demand for secession; and
therefore it is better to try for secession which is being resisted by
Delhi anyway.
Well that definitely closes the door for
constitutional amendment, or the demand for a change of the desi-demokretik
system as suggested by Chandan, till the demand for secession
lasts.
Rajen Barua
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:32
AM
Subject: RE: [Assam] Oil India Strikes
it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
Something however tells me that Santanu and Mridul had polar opposite
outlook to things. Santanu's holds on to hope for change, while Mridul's
surrenders to Indian 'constitutional sanctity', thus acquiesces to the
unfairness to Assam.
Am I right :-)?
At 10:49 AM -0500 6/8/05, Roy, Santanu wrote:
Mridul:
I
actually fully agree with you. I am glad you said that: "Besides, if we can get that we can
get independance too."
You see, this is a
point I have been trying to impress for a long time - that forget about
independence or autonomy, even getting the GOI to genuinely transfer
a minimal set of economic assets and powers to the state through a
constitutional amendment will be resisted with as great ferocity by the corridors of power in Delhi as they
would resist a demand for secession.
As for day dreaming,
there are benefits that emanate from dreams - for example, all of the
ideas behind human progress.
Santanu.
-----Original
Message-----
From: mridul bhuyan
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005
11:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roy, Santanu;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
[email protected]
Subject: RE: [Assam] Oil India
Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
IMHO, all rights of ownership over all natural resources
including
>>oil should be returned to the people of
Assam - OIL and all other
>>companies can then buy
it back from us at market price-
>>competitively with foreign
bidders - and then float as much share
>>as they
wish everywhere.
>>
It is easier said than done within the
framework of the existing constitution. Besides, if we can get that we
can get independance too. Instead of day dreaming, we should explore
ways to derive the best.
Mridul Bhuyan
>From: Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Roy, Santanu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dilip/Dil
Deka"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ram Sarangapani"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: Assam
<[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [Assam] Oil India
Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
>Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:00:30
-0500
>
>You said it like it ought to be
Santanu.
>
>Somehow an ordinary sense of reasoning has been
missing from these
>convoluted arguments from some of Assam's
best.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>At
9:52 PM -0500 6/7/05, Roy, Santanu wrote:
>>Does it strike
anybody as being odd that we are suggesting that
the
>>taxpayers of Assam essentially buy ownership of a natural
resource
>>of Assam ?
>>
>>After all, oil is
no different from land or water. Suppose the GOI
>>floated a
company that established ownership over all groundwater
>>or
forest land in Assam, would we then suggest buying
ownership
>>shares of that company using the Assamese taxpayers
money?
>>
>>IMHO, all rights of ownership over all
natural resources including
>>oil should be returned to the
people of Assam - OIL and all other
>>companies can
then buy it back from us at market price-
>>competitively with
foreign bidders - and then float as much share
>>as
they wish
everywhere.
>>
>>Santanu.
>>
>>-----Original
Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf
of Dilip/Dil Deka
>>Sent: Wed 6/8/2005 10:59 AM
>>To:
Ram Sarangapani
>>Cc: Assam
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] Oil
India Strikes it rich in Dibrugarh Dist.
>>
>>Also, I
think its good thing that the company is issuing
IPOs.
>>Whats
>>stopping the GOA (as Barua suggested)
or others in Assam from
>>buying
>>into the
company. One needs money to buy shares. Does GOA
have
>>money to spare?
>>
>>If the GOA is not
getting what it ought to be getting from OIL, it
>>either does
not negotiate well, or is not listening to
the
>>electorate,
>>or the electorate is blissfully
not aware that they could demand
>>the
>>GOA work for
them. You are correct.
>>
>>I would not blame OIL, its just looking
after its own interests,
>>just
>>like any other pvt.
company. Its for the people to hold the
GOAs
>>feet
>>to the
fire. I
agree.
>>
>>Dilip
Deka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ram
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>C'da,
>>
>>>*** I don't believe
any of these statistics. There is no
history
>>>of
>>reliable numbers >coming out
either in govt. handouts, or in
>>private
>>company
notifications, or news->paper reporters' dispatchers
or
>>Assam
>>netters'
speculations.
>>
>>Maybe you will atleast believe what
OIL itself is reporting to the
>>media. The figures quoted were
from OIL (NOT GOI or
media
>>speculation).
>>
>>Here is some more
financial data from
OIL
>>http://oilindia.nic.in/perf_financial.htm
>>
>>Also,
I think its good thing that the company is issuing
IPOs.
>>Whats
>>stopping the GOA (as Barua suggested)
or others in Assam from
>>buying
>>into the
company.
>>
>>>There is something grossly unfair
about it as far as the owners of
>>these natural >resources,
the people of Assam, that OIL or ONGC
>>get,
>>almost
for free.
>>
>>That kind of statement can be made by
any state or country - its
>>just
>>over the top.
Should the people of Texas feel cheated because
Shell
>>or
>>Exxon operate here at high
profits?
>>
>>The residuals from a company like OIL is
that they provide great
>>employment opportunities in Assam.
They bring technology, explore
>>new
>>reserves
etc.
>>
>>>That is why a more reliable system of
selecting able and
>>>accountable
>>Assam >govt.
is one of the most pressing needs for the people of
>>Assam,
something the >current Indian model has failed to
deliver
>>on,
>>and cannot in the future, without
>fundamental reforms.
>>
>>Isn't OIl a private
entity? And it is governed by all the rules
&
>>regs
>>of such industries. If the GOA wanted a
bigger share, they should
>>renegotiate with OIL on the
contract.
>>
>>If the GOA is not getting what it ought
to be getting from OIL, it
>>either does not negotiate well, or
is not listening to the
>>electorate,
>>or the
electorate is blissfully not aware that they could
demand
>>the
>>GOA work for
them.
>>
>>I would not blame OIL, its just looking
after its own interests,
>>just
>>like any other pvt.
company. Its for the people to hold the
GOAs
>>feet
>>to the fire.
>>
>>I
think, the intellectuals in Assam would best serve the state
by
>>seriously analyzing issues such as royalties from OIL (or
ONGC)
>>etc,
>>and the GOA should listen and implement
on their
recommendations.
>>
>>--Ram
>>
>>
>>
>>On
6/7/05, Chan Mahanta wrote:
>>> At 9:51 AM -0500
6/7/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>>> Take it easy. You
don't need to interprtet that way. If you
>>>don't
believe
>>> the Rs 1061 crores figure, why don't
you come up witth your
>>>economics
and
>>> enlighten the kharhwas? If f you believe,
then you should agree
>>>with
me.
>>> Which one it is? Please don't talk on
air.
>>> Rajen
>>>
>>> ***
I don't believe any of these statistics. There is no
history
>>>of reliable
>>> numbers
coming out either in govt. handouts, or in
private
>>>company
>>> notifications,
or news-paper reporters' dispatchers or
Assam
>>>netters'
>>> speculations.
>>>
>>> But
one has to believe in something, to be able to deliberate
on
>>>issues,
>>> right?
>>> I
would agree, but it has to be something that is
beyond
>>>reproach.
>>>
>>> In
this case, that has to be the fact that OIL is pumping
oil.
>>>That it is in
>>> business
making a profit ( a private company cannot stay
in
>>>business if it
>>> is not
making a profit, unless it is a desi one,
surreptitiously
>>>subsidized
>>> by
the citizenry), that it has discovered new sources of oil
and
>>>that it
>>> pays Assam little,
while it makes its profit selling its
>>>processed goods
at
>>> international
rates.
>>>
>>> There is something
grossly unfair about it as far as the owners
>>>of
these
>>> natural resources, the people of Assam,
that OIL or ONGC get,
>>>almost
for
>>> free.
>>>
>>> That
is one of the many grievances many people of Assam
have
>>>been fighting
>>> against the
Center for decades now, without any satisfaction.
>>>
>>> Now, just because
the establishment of Assam does not make waves
>>>about it
,
>>> does not mean ALL people of Assam acquiesce
to it. The proof
is
>>>the
>>> insurgency, which arose
due to the short shrift given to the
>>>people
of
>>> Assam by its colonial master, the Center,
after its own reps.
>>>let it
down.
>>>
>>> That is why a more
reliable system of selecting able and
>>>accountable
Assam
>>> govt. is one of the most pressing needs
for the people of
Assam,
>>>something
>>> the current
Indian model has failed to deliver on, and cannot in
>>>the
future,
>>> without fundamental
reforms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
Original Message -----
>>> From: Chan
Mahanta
>>> To: Rajen Barua ; Ram Sarangapani ;
Assam
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:25
AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it
rich in
Dibrugarh
>>>Dist.
>>>
>>> >
This also shows that owning OIL by Assam may not be that
fun
>>>after all,
>>> and should be a
lesson >to the freedom fighters of Assam. There
>>>may
not be
>>> much gold in the golden
pot.
>>>
>>> *** That is serious.
Maybe OIL is there for charity to Assam,
>>>employing
all
>>> those lazy people at exorbitant salaries.
The Assamese ought to
>>>be
warned
>>> not to rock the boat, asking for more
royalty et. OIL may leave
>>>and
Assam
>>> will be left holding the empty wells,
and paying them outsiders
>>>to close
the
>>> wells
down.
>>>
>>> Yep, those freedom
fighters need to screw their heads on
right.
>>>
>>> :-) :-)
:-)
>>>
>>> But seriously something
seems to be missing in the reasoning
>>>here, isn't
it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At
8:37 AM -0500 6/7/05, Rajen Barua
wrote:
>>> >their profit has zoomed up to Rs
1061 crores in the last
>>> > financial
year.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is
where we need to know the reality of the economics
of
>>>situation.
>>> Frankly speaking
this Rs. 1061 crores profit will be only around
>>>5% of
total
>>> annual oil production revenue of OIL
(according to my one
>>>estimate and
based
>>> on present world oil price). This also
means that OIL will be
>>>incurring
a
>> > loss if it were to pay the royalty to
Assam. This also shows
>>that owning
OIL
>>> by Assam may not be that fun after all,
and should be a lesson
>>>to
the
>>> freedom fighters of Assam. There may not
be much gold in the
>>>golden
pot.
>>> But there again one need to know how OIL
is calculating their
>>>profit
which
>>> may be tricky. Anyhow, I think Assam
will be better off just
>>>playing
dumb
>>> and claiming 12.5% royalty which will be
around Rs 4000 crores
>>>according
to
>>> one estimate I made earlier. At least that
will start the debate
>>>and
>> >
discussion for decentralization. The point is to do
something.
>>At present
>>> Assam is
just sitting Hobo
Diok..
>>>
>>> RajenBarua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ram
Sarangapani"
>>> To:
"Assam"
>>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:17
PM
>>> Subject: [Assam] Oil India Strikes it rich
in Dibrugarh Dist.
>>>
>>> > This
is good news indeed, and the fact that OIL is going
for
>>>its
first
>>> IPO.
>>> >
>>> >
-----------------
>>> >
>>> >
OIL strikes it rich in three structures in
Assam
>>> > Guwahati, Jun 06 (UNI) Oil India
Limited (OIL) has
struck
>>>crude
>>> > petroleum in
the three new structures in Dibrugarh district
of
>>>Upper
>>> > Assam even as
their profit has zoomed up to Rs 1061 crores in
>>>the
last
>>> > financial
year.
>>> >
>>> >
According to the director's report, the OIL has struck oil
in
>>>the
>>> > three new
structures on North Tini Ali, West Zaloni
and
>>>Samdang-3.
>>> >
>>> >
The company is upbeat with the new discoveries as they
are
>>>preparing
>>> > for the
first Initial Public Offering
(IPO).
>>> >
>>> >
The OIL India sources, however, confirmed that they
were
>>>keeping their
>>> > finger
crossed about the result of the latest round of the
New
>>> > Exploratory Licensing Policy (NELP)
bidding for getting
>>>license
for
>>> > exploration of the new
block.
>>> >
>>> >
The ONGC, Reliance and Videocon are pupshing ahead for
license
>>>in new
>>> >
prospective blocks of Upper
Assam.
>>> >
>>> >
The source informed that new discoveries would go a long
way
>>>to double
>>> > the gas and
crude production in the next five years
through
>>>initiative
>>> > like
breakthrough performance under taken by the company
for
>>> > organisational
transformation.
>>> >
>>> >
In fact the director's report said the profit after tax was
Rs
>>>1061
>>> > crores as the oil
and gas products had registered a seven
per
>>>cent
>>> > growth in the
last financial year ending March
2005.
>>> >
>>> >
Increased production of crude oil and natural gas coupled
with
>>>increse
>>> > in price
resulted in company recording the highest ever
total
>>>income
>>> > of Rs 4097
crores.
>>> > --From
Deepikaglobal.com
>>> >
>>> >
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