What about simply asking for trade references and due diligence on your potential customer?
2009/11/3 Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI) <vh...@kinetix.gr> > Of, course, the escrow agent has to actually do something more than just > "guard" the money. > > Now there are escrow agencies which receive CDRs from both parties in > real time or in bathes every few hours. So, in case of a dispute the > escrow agent acts as a referee, too. > > Best regards, > Vlasis Hatzistavrou. > > > Mindaugas Kezys wrote: > >>From our experience escrow is not good choice either. Other side can > argue > > that service was bad/unusable and you will not get paid for it. > > > > Regards, > > Mindaugas Kezys > > http://www.kolmisoft.com > > VoIP Billing and Routing Solutions > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com > > [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Vlasis > > Hatzistavrou (KTI) > > Sent: 2009 m. lapkričio 2 d. 13:54 > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful > > > > Just my 2 cents: there are escrow, exchange & clearinghouse services > > that one can use in order to secure business. > > > > Simple prepay/postpay nowadays is too dangerous, not only with small & > > unknown operators but even with large & well known carriers. They too > > will dispute just about anything... > > > > Best regards, > > Vlasis Hatzistavrou. > > > > > > Andy Spring wrote: > >> Hi Dennis, first I am sorry to hear your bad news, but i can give you > >> some suggestion, most of business men are trust parterns, only very > >> little are frauds, yes, sometimes, it is very difficult to find out who > >> is sincerely and who is not, but you can test them from a very small > >> order starting after you have dealt many many small business > >> succesfully, then start big orders or stop contact with them. > >> > >> 2009/11/2 <i...@dialontel.com <mailto:i...@dialontel.com>> > >> > >> Hi Andy and Everyone in this Forum, > >> > >> Of course Andy we are very Angry. Last Year in total we lost over > >> 30K USD and Asia Telecom and BroadTelephone 3K USD invoice is part > >> of it. This has effect our business process to do much more > >> verification in giving post pay/prepay and it has become almost > >> impossible find out who is geniune and who is not. > >> > >> Even though These two companies are registered in UK and USA its > >> managed and owned by Pakistan guys (nothing personal to > >> Pakistanies) so my point is we can not judge a company from where it > >> is registered. > >> > >> > >> So I bilieve most effective way to minimize frauds is to keep close > >> contact with trusted partners and their frauds, so you can keep away > >> from frauds. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dennis S. > >> DialOnTel Team > >> <http://www.dialontel/> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE > >> Careful > >> From: Andy Spring <andy...@gmail.com <mailto:andy...@gmail.com > >> > >> Date: Sun, November 01, 2009 5:15 am > >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > >> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com > >> <mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>> > >> > >> Haha... Maybe Dennis is very angry with them, but what make me > >> suprised is that the frauds are from UK and USA, whose > >> reputation are good and they also think themselves come with > >> good reputation, but also rubbish > >> > >> 2009/10/31 <i...@dialontel.com <mailto:i...@dialontel.com>> > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> DO NOT sell any minutes to BroadTelepone or AsiaTelecom. > >> They have a pending invoice to us for last 8 months 3000 > >> USD. Our company name is DialOnTel. we were seling India to > >> them. These companies are fraud based in UK and USA. > >> AsiaTelecom UK is currently on liquadation. > >> > >> Sikander - Director, Faruk -Tech guy never response to our > >> calls or emails. > >> > >> DO NOT Give post pay to them. > >> > >> My name is Dennis from DialOnTel. > >> den...@dialontel.com <mailto:den...@dialontel.com> > >> i...@dialontel.com <mailto:i...@dialontel.com> > >> > >> Sikander if you see this email you are most welcome to > >> contact me as you never response to our emials or calls. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> DialOnTel Team > >> > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination > >> From: Sikander Saeed <sikan...@asiatele.net > >> <mailto:sikan...@asiatele.net>> > >> Date: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:04 pm > >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion > >> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com > >> <mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>> > >> > >> BroadTelephone is based in USA and involve in wholesale > >> and retail VoIP services in USA, Canada and UK since > >> last decade. We are looking for quality route to India. > >> Our targets are: > >> > >> India 919 mobile $0.0110 > >> India 9194 $0.0125 > >> India ROC 91 $0.0150 > >> India Cities $0.0130 > >> > >> Our daily traffic is about 25,000 minutes per day. > >> Please let us know if you can provide such service. > >> > >> Sikander Saeed > >> BroadTelephone, Inc. > >> www.broadtelephone.com <http://www.broadtelephone.com/> > >> > >> > >> Mitul Limbani wrote: > >>> Brian, > >>> > >>> So if I m correct this would be a one of retail > customer > > who needs to > >>> call their indian partner company? > >>> > >>> Please email me in a bit more detail off the list, coz > we > > have helped > >>> several US based companies optimize their communication > > cost to their > >>> indian counter part or indian offshore units. > >>> > >>> And I think we can help your customer too. > >>> > >>> Thanks & Regards, > >>> Mitul Limbani, > >>> Founder & CEO, > >>> Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd., > >>> The Enterprise Linux Company (r), > >>> http://www.enterux.com <http://www.enterux.com/> > >>> http://www.entVoice.com <http://www.entvoice.com/> > >>> > >>> On 27-Oct-2009, at 7:30 AM, "Brian Franklin" > > <bfrank...@ntginc.net> <mailto:bfrank...@ntginc.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I have an executive that needs low cost minutes to a > > partner firm in > >>>> India. Clear calls and low cost is the primary > concern. > >>>> > >>>> Brian > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com > > <mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com> > >>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On > Behalf > > Of mtlvoip > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM > >>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk > Discussion > >>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] USA to India > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> with what kind of features and in which level of price > > are your > >>>> looking > >>>> > >>>> for? > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>>> From: "Brian Franklin" <bfrank...@ntginc.net> > > <mailto:bfrank...@ntginc.net> > >>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:32 PM > >>>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk > > Discussion" > >>>> <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> > > <mailto:asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com> > >>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] USA to India > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Looking for quality international SIP > > termination...particularly to > >>>>> India. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions? 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