Phil Leigh;184095 Wrote: > > This is one of the "great audio myths of our time".
To paraphrase Jean Luc Picard in First Contact, "The physics of the audiophile world are somewhat different". Here are some of the principles I have perceived since my recent introduction to the audiophile world (and all I thought I was doing was ripping my CDs and buying some nice speakers and a good amp). 1. If a listener claims an audible difference, then it exists. ("I hear it, therefore it is") 2. If it exists, any amount of new physics or engineering is plausible to explain the audible difference. 3. Audible difference is never due to suggestion, placebo perceptiual illusion or confirmation bias. Ergo DBT is not required. 4. The obligation to refute audible difference is on the skeptic not the perceiver. 5. All devices, regardless of physical or engineering principles to the contray, influence and colour sound. 6. There is no known threshold of engineering beyond which changes no longer impact sound (corollary of (5)) In the classical world of high end computer networking which deals in orders of magnitude higher signal rates, and is vastly more senstivity to small error rates, and is carefully instrumented to measure bit error rate, the thought that optical connections are inferior to coaxial induce fall off the chair hilarity. As a point of calibration on this topic, I have seen a paper assessing the limits of audibility of jitter in a controlled listening blind study to be around +-.5us using a syncrononous clocked environment. I am having difficulty understanding how even the cheapest s/pdif transmitted could not hold that, but I do admit to not having spent any time looking at the engineering of S/PDIF circuits. As Sean has measured this kind of stuff all the way down to picoseconds, which deeply impresses me as a sort of uber-geek thing to do I suspect he has the definitive word on this subject buried somewhere in the SD forum postings. Site specific google searches would help this. Kudos to Sean for at least characterizing it. Now, full well knowning ps level jitter control likely well exceeds the "don't care" thresholds, I still bought a Transporter because I so admired the engineering precision that went into it. Its like buying a Swiss watch: you don't really need that level of precision to get to the meeting on time, but you sure do admire the engineering work that went into it. I know I will get flamed for this posting. But I sure do like the clause in Hydrogen Audio's forum AUP that requires DBT to support claims of improvement or difference. And I really do think I have fairly summarized the position of the subjectivist community on this stuff. To be fair the intensity of (2) varies. Its really hard not to answer the OPs question without dealing with this point. In summary, the short answer is that in the classical networking wold, even in syncronous bit transport clocking, there is no known mechanism that could cause a properly engineered optical connection to be in any way inferior to a coaxial one. But reading a spec sheet on the transmitter/receiver chipset and internal clock circuit would resolve this question conclusively. In the world of audiophile physics, if you hear a difference, then by all means use coax over optical. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-B&W Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles