Are you suggesting that a glider using water ballast is exempt from the manufacturers requirement to have a working outside air temperature indicator as well ?
The reason the manufacturer has this requirement is prohibit flight above the freezing level, which in turn is to prevent water freezing in the tanks which could lead to C of G shifting too far back (tail tank can’t dump), or even worse, the expansion causing failure of the structure - broken fin or split wing in flight. My reading of the exemption is that it applies just to the CARs, which require those instruments in addition to what the manufacturer may require. As a result, the manufacturers requirement still exists, hence needing a STC or PU to be able to remove the T&S in this case. Noel - whilst the utopian past may well have existed, it certainly doesn’t now - actually, I don’t believe it did, just that the legislated oversight to the GFA delegations were never conducted. GFA were left with 2 simple choices - fix the documentation (and requirements) to meet with CASA audit approval in a very short time frame or lose all airworthiness delegation with no prospect of CASA being able to pick up, with the end result, grounding all Australian registered gliders. Nowhere was there an option to keep what had been before, much as all of us would have preferred. > On 22 Apr 2016, at 8:38 , Martin <martinbpo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > CAO 95.4 , exemptions , (l) subregulation 207 (2) as far as the carriage > of a gyroscopic turn and slip indicator and an outside air temperature > indicator as prescribed in Appendix I of Civil Aviation Order 20.18 is > concerned; > >> On 21 Apr 2016, at 8:55 PM, Noel Roediger <roedi...@internode.on.net> wrote: >> >> Emilis - I agree totally with your thoughts and agree that it would be >> prudent for GFA to utilise the knowledge of senior members. >> >> Justin: I have no idea of your capabilities re GFA operational and >> regulatory issues - nor do I have knowledge of your GFA authorities and >> qualifications or personal aviation qualificationsl. Please advise. >> >> Your Utopian past really did exist and we had sufficient capability with the >> statesmanship of GFA and DCA officers to develop a very sound and >> universally admired operation which was adopted by many other international >> authorities. >> >> You may question my authority to make such a statement so see following. >> >> I was besotted by aviation at a very young age and was adopted by members of >> the Adelaide Soaring club at the time GFA was formed. >> >> I am probably the only member living that experienced its formation and >> proceeded through its entire existence to this day. >> >> I' ve lived, achieved and performed their dreams and my wife and I have >> mentored numerous youth into an aviation career. >> >> I'm appalled that current GFA officers have caved in to junior and >> unqualified CASA emplyees. >> >> FYI I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire unless you can provide info. >> otherwise. >> >> Noel. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf >> Of Justin Couch >> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 9:26 AM >> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] T&S as a mandated instrument >> >>> On 21/04/2016 8:40 AM, emillis prelgauskas wrote: >>> There was a very good reason that gliding had 'exemptions' globally in the >> Regulations. To avoid this mismatch between commercial aviation and our >> sport specific needs. >> >> It's probably worth some time to chat with you privately to get some details >> on where these can be found. Unfortunately I am now far more intimate with >> both Oz and international airworthiness regulations than I really would like >> to be. If these exemptions do exist written down that you are claiming, I >> cannot find them, nor can anyone else at the GFA - perhaps they went up in >> smoke with the rest of our paperwork a few years ago? >> >> The regulatory framework that existed in the utopian past has changed, >> rather dramatically on us, so things that may have been in place before just >> don't work any more - if we can find the documentation of them at all. I see >> a lot of what is happening now as no different to then - someone finds yet >> another stupid rule, everyone mulls it over for a time, an exemption gets >> made according to the paperwork framework of the day, everyone shakes hands >> and moves on. >> >> I'd like to understand how you find this particular issue (T&B on MEL) any >> different to the fire-extinguisher example you cite. Both seem to involve a >> silly rule that doesn't apply to us, someone working out a way to get an >> exemption within the rules of the day, and everyone just moves on (and then >> 30 years down the track someone recounts it as a funny story of "Kids these >> days! Back in my day...."). >> >>> Including that the best results are achieved when GFA told CASA to stick >> it - that we are the experts in our sport, which needs to operate in >> specific ways in order to be safe. >>> Remember the primacy - SAFETY. >> >> And, they in turn can tell us the same and stop gliding in it's tracks >> completely, or make it so financially uncomfortable for us to have the same >> effect. Neither is a good outcome for us. So, work out when to bend with the >> wind, and when to stand firm against it. Everyone has a different >> interpretation of that point. >> >> We, luckily, have some very good people on the GFA side that know the system >> inside and out as they deal with it professionally every day. So, when weird >> stuff like this happens, they already know what to do and slip in that extra >> one sentence into our paperwork so that the guys on the ground like you and >> I can continue to operate mostly unaffected. >> >>> How does making the paper mound higher and in multiple mounds (the >> compliant, the interpreted work around, the reality) contribute positively >> to this? >>> The argument that 'society demands this' is so hollow - as if the public >> bystander leaning on the aerodrome fence is able to tell the operator how to >> do things because of the unformed opinions - regulation by social media. >> >> The utopia of the good old days no longer exists and we do have to put up >> with this stuff whether we like it or not. I bet 40 years ago the elders of >> the time were decrying "adding more mounds of paperwork" too, comparing it >> to pre-WWII gliding. The more things change, the more they stay the same. >> >> Yes the world is getting more litigious (specially insurance companies!). On >> top of that, we now have a bunch of know-it-alls on social media condemning >> everything that can gut something almost instantaneously regardless of good >> intentions or not of the target. We can't live in a vacuum and pretend the >> world doesn't exist around us. If genetics have much to say, I have at least >> another 40 years of enjoying this sport - I'd like to still be able to have >> that option should I, and all the younger guys I'm trying to mentor, be >> interested. >> >> Anyway, I'll shoot you (emillis) a private email to see what we can dig up >> from historical paperwork and get into electronic form and weave into the >> current reality. >> >> -- >> Justin Couch http://www.vlc.com.au/ >> Java 3D Graphics Information http://www.j3d.org/ >> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/justincouch/ >> G+ WetMorgoth >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> "Look through the lens, and the light breaks down into many lights. >> Turn it or move it, and a new set of arrangements appears... is it >> a single light or many lights, lights that one must know how to >> distinguish, recognise and appreciate? 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