Hi all,
Thank you Ross for your post it certainly addresses my actual question at last! I was referring to sports of a similar format that have a single national comp to decide the national champ, not sports where a series of regional events produces a national champ. Do the actual rules of the way a race car is prepared or the events raced in a triathlon, or the length of a boat in competition change from state comp to state comp at the whim of the state, site safety related factors are simply not what I was referring to. Site related safety rules as some have mentioned are not what I was trying to get understand, it was cases such as my example, where a new rule based on local preference not directly site safety related issues is made, overriding National rules. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough! Regards Dave _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 2:28 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps Hi David I am one of two elected pilot representatives to the National Competition Committee (NCC) for National Multi Class and I would like to try to address your point, which is a good one, and one with which I largely agree. In the particular instance you referred to, the compulsory FLARM rule applied by Queensland Gliding as a local rule to the National Multi Class Competition in October 2006 was discussed at length at NCC and as a result there was then subsequent, detailed, and co-operative discussion with QG on the rule. The QG rules were modified as a result of that input and it was then agreed at NCC to respect the QG rule, on compulsory FLARM, and to allow it as a local rule, for that competition. The NCC most probably could have stood its ground and insisted that the rule be waived at a National level, but it was agreed not to become confrontational on issues regarding safety. I think that was a good decision. I have no doubt that there will be further discussion at NCC and at the Sports Committee, on the wider issue of National Rules not being overridden at National competitions, when they meet later this year. Hope this helps. Regards, ROSS _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lawley Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 1:47 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps Nick said: "Any location for a competition can specify local rules that can, in some cases, override certain sections of the nationals rules." Yep and that is exactly what seems strange, as I said name any other National sport that allows state organizers to do this. A passing comment or two actually doesn't mean a lot of interest in comps Nick, just an interest in equity of rules. How about addressing the point? (Which I am obviously going to have to simplify for you) Why are individual states locals be allowed to override National Championship rules? Regards Dave _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 12:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps What you are talking about is states being allowed to apply local rules to a national contest. Incidently, this (generally speaking) is not a state based thing. Any location for a competition can specify local rules that can, in some cases, override certain sections of the nationals rules. For someone with no interest in competitons you certainly seem to be showing a lot of interest in competitions. Nick. On 1/30/07, David Lawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Huh? Re read my post Nick- I never said that State rules apply to Nationals, or nationals rules apply to state comps, I said it seemed strange to allow states to change the nationals rules or introduce new ones to suit themselves when THEY run a particular nationals i.e. I believe (correct me if I am wrong)mandatory FLARM at recent Queensland held nationals was a STATE decision not national body decision.(Note: Example only FLARMnatics need not respond) National comps should be based on Nationally decided rules not any one states whim. Of course, each State can have their own comp rules for state comps-but logic would seem to dictate using the same rules as national championships to help people prepare properly for the next level up of comp. I will try to find the reference to such matters regarding competing at regional competitions to qualify for a comp license (could be a US thing). BTW I have no interest in comps myself, just thought it strange that the national rules could be changed at the whim of a state that is holding them, I know of no other sport that allows this, although I am sure Victoria wouldn't mind changing some footy rules so they could (maybe) win a premiership again eventually(-: Regards Dave L -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 10:19 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps Dave, The nationals rules don't apply to state competitions - they apply to national competitions. Makes perfect sense to me. The state based competitions arent modifying the nationals rules - they have their own. Good thing too, they are entry level events. The state based cricket competition doesn't play 5 day test matches. Regards, ____________ Nick Gilbert Lotus Notes Administrator - Hardy Wines "David Lawley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30/01/2007 10:03 AM Please respond to "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> cc Subject RE: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps Hi All, Whereas I thought I read somewhere that one qualified for a FAI comp license in part by entering regional competitions, a bit of a catch 22 this eh? No license, no compete, no compete no license! Why am I not surprised! One thing I have never been able to fathom is how States are allowed to modify the nationals rules at will, it seems to me they should be decided Nationally, and states should not be able to tack on their own extras, such as mandatory FLARM without National body approval of a rule change. It seems crazy to allow this to me, and I can think of no other sport that does this sort of thing. National comp rules should be a matter for national consideration, not the whim of a state body. Regards Dave L. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robinson, Peter B Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 8:43 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps Or if you call the event a Regatta then you don't need Competitors licenses nor do you require competition insurance. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 7:54 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week / VIC State Comps David Nugent wrote: > Rolf, > > Competition licenses have not been required at past Horsham Weeks > (including when they are a State comp), my understanding is that they > are only reqd at National level. It is my understanding that in order to be able to use the GFA competition insurance cover, all competing pilots must have an FAI competitor's licence. This is why all competitions in Qld (including the Easter competition) require competitor's licences. -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring The material contained in this email may be confidential, privileged or copyrighted. If you are not the intended recipient, use, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. 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