As others have suggested, I think it is really a marketing, vague distinction. But my perception (pulling on the flame suit) is that there is a "macho" element that drives "real" four wheel drives on "great bush adventures" and tends to look somewhat disparagingly at the "soft roaders" who drive from home to the school Monday to Friday and to the coffee shop on Saturday. So you can't call them "four wheel drives" just because all four wheels drive!
"Real" four wheel drives go places where mere "all wheel drives" dare not venture. Once we put this debate to bed, perhaps we can start on "what is a sports car..." No doubt about this gliding forum, it broadens the education in all directions... Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be." Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 22:51 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] ..........how did we get from Spin trainingtoagerelated topics Allan - I am confused - when is an AWD not a 4WD - unless it has more than 4 wheels of course? SDF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Armistead Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 10:19 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] ..........how did we get from Spin training toagerelated topics Well it certainly wasn't a Toyota Prius so it wasn't a hybrid And I was driving an AWD and it wasn't me So by a process of elimination from the choices you've given me it was a 4WD Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be." Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David and Justine Olsen Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 18:20 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ..........how did we get from Spin training to agerelated topics Was it 4WD, AWD or Hybrid :-) It is critical. :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Armistead Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 4:12 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Pirat and Polish glider that would not spin... Age relates to low experience. Gender has no relevance but that's how the story was relayed to me. I was nearly run off the road on Saturday by a person in a 4WD (overtaking across a double line). It all happened so quick and I was too busy avoiding the head on to notice the sex of the driver, or I would probably be saying "a guy" or "a girl" in relaying the story. I expect if I post the details on a newsgroup some sensitive 4WD driver will ask me "what is the relevance of the type of vehicle" and it's not relevant (any more than the sex of the driver is relevant) but it's a fact of the story. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be." Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Davis, Jo Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 15:55 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Pirat and Polish glider that would not spin... Overall point of the comment taken, but I missed the relevance of the age and gender of the power instructor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Armistead Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 2:36 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Pirat and Polish glider that would not spin... While I stop short of saying "spins are fun" I'm very pleased to have been taught spins and recovery as part of my gliding training. If only to underline the fact that I don't want to put myself in a situation where I accidentally happen upon one. I was really surprised when I subsequently did my power training to find that we did nothing beyond basic stalls and recovery. Stuart Ferguson said (talking about power aircraft and spins); "I would suggest that many of today's instructors would have been taught by people who had not been fully taught how to spin and in turn pass this onto their students some of whom will become the next generation of instructors" Reminds me of the story of one of our very experienced (gliding) instructors doing his power licence and the young lady instructor "teaching" him forced landings. They had a bit of a difference of opinion on how best to select a suitable field and set up the circuit. I believe the conversation went something along these lines... He "How many real forced landings have you actually done?" She "None" He "Well I've done dozens and this is how I do them..." Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia "When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be." 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