Thanks for that Derek, though I had seen the Canadian one and I was
aware of the british ones (cos they keep coming up on soaring news sites
whenever anyone mentions Puchacz, like here;
https://www.mail-archive.com/aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net/msg07341.html
).
I am just intrigued by the "two US test pilots" ones, which I've never
found any real information about.
It's now been more than 15 years since the first high profile accident
(the Californian one, in the table below) and about 10 years since the
main peak of interest. There appears to be almost 300 of them still
flying, with no obvious deficiencies since the mid 2000s, except
whenever someone mentions spins and Puchacz in the same message on the
internet.
Regards
SWK
On 28/12/2014 9:34 AM, Derek Ruddock wrote:
From
http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o0204.asp
"In 1990, a Puchacz spinning accident that resulted in two fatalities
was investigated by the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB).
It was determined that the glider had inadvertently entered a spin at
an altitude that was too low to allow for recovery. In 2004, the
United Kingdom Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) investigated
a Puchacz spinning accident that resulted in two fatalities. The AAIB
report^1
<http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2005/a05o0204/a05o0204.asp#N_1>
noted that Puchacz gliders had been involved in five previous spinning
accidents in the United Kingdom, four of which resulted in fatalities,
and the majority of which were the result of inadvertent spins.
The AAIB report made reference to a British Gliding Association (BGA)
- sponsored low-speed handling trial of the Puchacz that was conducted
in 1994 in response to three fatal Puchacz spinning accidents between
1990 and 1993. The trial was flown by test pilots and instructors. The
Puchacz spin recovery was judged against the following standard
spin-recovery technique, as outlined in Joint Aviation Regulation
(JAR) 22, Acceptable Means of Compliance:
1. Check ailerons neutral.
2. Apply rudder opposite spin.
3. Ease control column forward until rotation ceases.
4. Centralise rudder and ease out of ensuing dive.
The Canadian equivalent to JAR 22 is the /Canadian Aviation
Regulations/ (CARs), Part V - Airworthiness, Standards, Airworthiness
Manual Chapter 522, which covers airworthiness standards for gliders
and powered gliders.
The trial confirmed that the glider was compliant with JAR 22;
however, it considered two areas worthy of additional comment. The
glider was considered only marginally compliant in respect of stalls
during turns, and it was noted that avoidance of uncontrolled rolling
and spinning off a turn was reliant on pilot awareness and skill. The
trial also noted that the height loss in a spin was significantly
greater than on other glider types and that this was largely due to
the steep attitude (70ยบ nose down) of the developed spin."
*From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of
*stephenk
*Sent:* Sunday, 28 December 2014 1:06 AM
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training
Mike,
you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not
the Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex
test pilots)
But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident
like this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz
accidents in total
*EventId*
*InvestigationType*
*AccidentNumber*
*EventDate*
*Location*
*Country*
*Latitude*
*Longitude*
*AirportCode*
*AirportName*
*InjurySeverity*
*AircraftDamage*
*AircraftCategory*
*RegistrationNumber*
*Make*
*Model*
20040730X01116
Accident
LAX04CA270
07/18/2004
Lone Pine, CA
United States
36.588333
-118.051944
O26
Lone Pine
Non-Fatal
Substantial
N19SZ
PDPS PZL-BIELSKO
SZD-50-3
20040406X00422
Accident
FTW04LA103
04/04/2004
Cherry Valley, AR
United States
35.370834
-90.750556
Non-Fatal
Substantial
N18SZ
PDPS PZL-Bielsko
SZD-50-3
20030605X00794
Accident
LAX03LA165
05/26/2003
Minden, NV
United States
39.000278
-119.750833
MEV
Minden-Tahoe Airport
Non-Fatal
Substantial
N503HC
PZL-Bielsko
SZD-50-3
20001211X10620
Accident
LAX98FA235
07/17/1998
CALIFORNIA CITY, CA
United States
Fatal(2)
Destroyed
N7215L
PZL-Bielsko
SZD 50-3
Do you have any other references?
Regards
SWK
On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
Well one was two USAF test pilot school graduates from at least
3500 feet AGL.
Mike
On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:03 pm, Paul Bart <pb2...@gmail.com
<mailto:pb2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wonder how many of them were off a winch from 1200 ft?
Cheers
Paul
On Dec 27, 2014 8:29 PM, "druddock" <drudd...@iinet.net.au
<mailto:drudd...@iinet.net.au>> wrote:
From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of
spin training in the Puchaz.
If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but
please don't take anyone with you
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