I've never seen an official NTSB report on it but it was reported on r.a.s. in a thread on Puch spinning after another Puch spin in elsewhere. IIRC it was Cindy Brickner who posted that information. R.a.s. Is probably archived somewhere.
Note also we've had one near spin in by two level 3 instructors in W.A., reported here by one of them And a Puch spin in at Narrogin by an experienced instructor with student from low level thermalling. Maybe all the spin recovery training in the world is simply ineffective when the aim is to prevent spinning in the first place. Spinning is not a normal manoeuvre in soaring flight. Spin prevention training doesn't seem to help much either, although both are a good idea. Simulators may help but we have no information. It seems possible that the real problem is that task prioritisation has been incorrectly or not taught, including the ability to not get distracted, focus on just one thing and forget all the others. It only takes a few seconds. As Alan Rundle once said "flying is easy, you can teach a monkey to fly an aeroplane. It is the thinking that goes with it that is hard to teach." Mike > On 27 Dec 2014, at 10:05 pm, stephenk <steph...@internode.on.net> wrote: > > Mike, > you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the > Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) > But I've never been able to find any other references to an accident like > this and the NTSB database only seems to show up 4 Puchacz accidents in total > > EventId InvestigationType AccidentNumber EventDate > Location Country Latitude Longitude AirportCode > AirportName InjurySeverity AircraftDamage AircraftCategory > RegistrationNumber Make Model > 20040730X01116 Accident LAX04CA270 07/18/2004 Lone > Pine, CA United States 36.588333 -118.051944 O26 Lone Pine > Non-Fatal Substantial > N19SZ PDPS PZL-BIELSKO SZD-50-3 > 20040406X00422 Accident FTW04LA103 04/04/2004 Cherry > Valley, AR United States 35.370834 -90.750556 > > Non-Fatal Substantial > N18SZ PDPS PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 > 20030605X00794 Accident LAX03LA165 05/26/2003 Minden, > NV United States 39.000278 -119.750833 MEV Minden-Tahoe > Airport Non-Fatal Substantial > N503HC PZL-Bielsko SZD-50-3 > 20001211X10620 Accident LAX98FA235 07/17/1998 > CALIFORNIA CITY, CA United States > > > > Fatal(2) Destroyed > N7215L PZL-Bielsko SZD 50-3 > Do you have any other references? > > Regards > SWK > > >> On 27/12/2014 10:22 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: >> Well one was two USAF test pilot school graduates from at least 3500 feet >> AGL. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:03 pm, Paul Bart <pb2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I wonder how many of them were off a winch from 1200 ft? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>> On Dec 27, 2014 8:29 PM, "druddock" <drudd...@iinet.net.au> wrote: >>>> From memory there have been about 26 fatalities as a result of spin >>>> training in the Puchaz. >>>> If you want to release the controls in a spin go ahead but please don't >>>> take anyone with you > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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