The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review. Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 October 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on Friday, 19 October 2018. *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled for late October or early November 2018.*
*https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018 <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>* On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: > Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose > whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given > their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making > submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design. > Some very critical views are not to be heard from. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of October >> (this Friday) has been released: >> >> >> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false >> >> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following >> parties are scheduled to speak on this day: >> >> * The Department of Home Affairs. >> * The Law Council of Australia. This is an interesting one - it appears >> (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission at all >> (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their >> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64 >> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing). >> * Optus "and others TBC". >> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of the >> parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute the >> submissions to the correct/complete groups). >> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that the >> BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but Amazon's >> isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions). >> * TBC. >> >> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - it's >> here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities I'll >> mention next): >> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true >> >> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 minutes >> allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and others >> TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes, Amazon, >> BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes, and then >> the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time. >> >> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of October >> that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings starting on >> the 19th of October. I expressed an interest in participating in the >> public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation period >> - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th, >> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be >> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have >> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra >> on Friday). I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even >> published yet. >> >> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a very >> small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing - I >> believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but >> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is >> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet >> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given >> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited). >> >> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here. At >> this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and breadth >> of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome for >> Australia. >> >> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman Andrew >>> Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading conspirators in >>> rolling Turnbull. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Paul Wilkins >>> >>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were made to >>>> the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get read and >>>> considered this time around. >>>> >>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the hope >>>> that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas outside of >>>> technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought it best to >>>> let experts make the points there. I also made it clear to the PJCIS that >>>> ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how that goes. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Rob, >>>>> >>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's a >>>>> pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a >>>>> message >>>>> that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs consultation >>>>> was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process. >>>>> >>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain about >>>>> the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home >>>>> Affairs >>>>> and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get represented >>>>> and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to hold Home >>>>> Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism and >>>>> shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best >>>>> interests. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA. It's also >>>>>> published here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/ >>>>>> >>>>>> "" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone >>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the AFP >>>>>>>> can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich < >>>>>>>>> christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with JCIS. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >>
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