This specific example highlights the need for clarity regarding the vague protection of 317G and the meaning of "Systemic Weakness".
Given the IAB's position that any legal intercept capability creates a structural weakness of the internet, presumably one could then argue that 317G offers immunity against all TCN/TAN requests. Kind regards Paul Wilkins On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 11:30, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: > Question: Is it possible to pass a PCI audit, while potentially bound to > silence regarding: > > - source integrity > - secret functionality > - undisclosed 3rd party end points > > > I suppose auditors can qualify any report that mandated TCNs/TANs are > excepted, but are you then "PCI Compliant"? > > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 13:03, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Oh, well almost elevated to Federal Parliament. >> >> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 12:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The turnup on Saturday with the elevation of Kerryn Phelps to Federal >>> Parliament means a very different playing field for Dutton. It's one thing >>> to ask Labor to pass a Bill in the Senate whose function is (supposedly) a >>> House of Review. Now Dutton has to get the Bill through not 1 but 2 houses, >>> and more importantly, the Lower House effectively authors Bills. Labor is >>> less likely to support the Bill in the Lower House. >>> >>> Phelps said prior to the election the purpose of independents is to >>> "hold the government to account, not to ransom", so we'll have to wait and >>> see. Her stated priorities are environment and refugees, so obviously won't >>> want to scrape off the shiny new mint of political capital on Law and Order >>> issues, but she's been a strong human rights advocate, and the Bill raises >>> serious human rights issues. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Paul Wilkins >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 15:28, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you're concerned by the Bill's overreach, where it allows for >>>> arbitrary and disproportionate interference in privacy, write the >>>> Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights: human.rig...@aph.gov.au >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> Paul Wilkins >>>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:31, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Appeared this morning. Runs to 60pp vs 20pp for the Home Affairs >>>>> submission. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321 >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree >>>>>> window dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter >>>>>> to PJCIS onto Kerryn Phelps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review. >>>>>>> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12 >>>>>>> October 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on >>>>>>> Friday, 19 October 2018. *Further Public Hearings will be >>>>>>> scheduled for late October or early November 2018.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018 >>>>>>> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose >>>>>>>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected >>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making >>>>>>>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by >>>>>>>> design. >>>>>>>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of >>>>>>>>> October (this Friday) has been released: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the >>>>>>>>> following parties are scheduled to speak on this day: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * The Department of Home Affairs. >>>>>>>>> * The Law Council of Australia. This is an interesting one - it >>>>>>>>> appears (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a >>>>>>>>> submission >>>>>>>>> at all (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - >>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64 >>>>>>>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing). >>>>>>>>> * Optus "and others TBC". >>>>>>>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one >>>>>>>>> of the parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even >>>>>>>>> attribute the submissions to the correct/complete groups). >>>>>>>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting >>>>>>>>> that the BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> Amazon's isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of >>>>>>>>> submissions). >>>>>>>>> * TBC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day - >>>>>>>>> it's here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the >>>>>>>>> oddities >>>>>>>>> I'll mention next): >>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60 >>>>>>>>> minutes allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus >>>>>>>>> "and >>>>>>>>> others TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 >>>>>>>>> minutes, >>>>>>>>> Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 >>>>>>>>> minutes, >>>>>>>>> and then the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of >>>>>>>>> October that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for >>>>>>>>> hearings >>>>>>>>> starting on the 19th of October. I expressed an interest in >>>>>>>>> participating >>>>>>>>> in the public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the >>>>>>>>> consultation >>>>>>>>> period - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the >>>>>>>>> 19th, >>>>>>>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be >>>>>>>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I >>>>>>>>> would have >>>>>>>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to >>>>>>>>> Canberra >>>>>>>>> on Friday). I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even >>>>>>>>> published yet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a >>>>>>>>> very small number of organisations have been invited to the public >>>>>>>>> hearing >>>>>>>>> - I believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - >>>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet >>>>>>>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular >>>>>>>>> given >>>>>>>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from >>>>>>>>> here. At this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate >>>>>>>>> level >>>>>>>>> and breadth of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate >>>>>>>>> outcome for Australia. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Robert, >>>>>>>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman >>>>>>>>>> Andrew Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading >>>>>>>>>> conspirators in rolling Turnbull. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were >>>>>>>>>>> made to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll >>>>>>>>>>> actually get >>>>>>>>>>> read and considered this time around. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the >>>>>>>>>>> hope that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas >>>>>>>>>>> outside of technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but >>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>> it best to let experts make the points there. I also made it clear >>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>> PJCIS that ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll >>>>>>>>>>> see how >>>>>>>>>>> that goes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for >>>>>>>>>>>> what's a pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying >>>>>>>>>>>> to convey >>>>>>>>>>>> a message that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home >>>>>>>>>>>> Affairs >>>>>>>>>>>> consultation was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the >>>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't >>>>>>>>>>>> complain about the results, so thanks again to those who've made >>>>>>>>>>>> submissions (Home Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our >>>>>>>>>>>> industry's needs get represented and, if not acknowledged, are at >>>>>>>>>>>> least on >>>>>>>>>>>> the public record to hold Home Affairs to account for what's some >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> imperious unilateralism and shabby disregard for the industry's >>>>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>>>> public's concerns and best interests. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA. >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also published here: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the AFP can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pairs! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinr...@cmlh.id.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCIS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> AusNOG mailing list >>>>>>>>>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>>>>>>>>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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