Paul Hammant wrote:
No worries dude, I was just showing a point and took the chance on your email message.Stefano,APACHE AVALON PMC VOTING PROCEDURES - PROPOSAL[..]The PMC Chair may disallow
a vote at his/her discretion, providing that justification is
provided.-1 (vote not veto).
Paul, no need to explicitly indicating this anymore. I think we got the point that we need the ability to say 'I don't like this'.
Forgive me for feeling nervous.Note, however, that I personally tend to *not* consider a -1 unless a reason is specified.
so, I much rather see you making an effort to tell me what you didn't like about that, instead of saying 'this is not a veto', which doesn't really help me understanding your reasoning behind this (I can guess, but that's might be further misunderstanding and friction created right there).
I'm sure you understand my point.
For the record I do not think the PMC Chair should be allowed to act in such an editorial fashion. I understand goverance models, and think a chair should be one of coordinator for this type of club/society. Dissallowing a vote from someone on the PMC is crap democracy. With or without justification. The benign dictator model (that backs our meritocracy/democracy design) sits a level higher than PMC Chair. To be honest though, for the item voted on, I'd have thought that was obvious. My problem is that I do not work in a job that affords me the opportunity to write to the Avalon mail list all day. My Agile leanings tell me to be brief where I can.
For the record, I *completely* agree with you and I stated it several times: the PMC chair should be an ignorable thing. It's just a way to state "he/she will talk to the board if we can't resolve ourselves". That's it. It should be a way to avoid having tons of email bombing the board@ and an easy way for the board to keep context (this person is the chair for avalon).
But rather than this, the chair is just another PMC member and should *never* *ever* be felt different from the other PMC members... for example, it should not try to jump into disputes with a "I'm the chair"-attitude, but jump into disputes with "I'm one of us"-attitude.
Let's make it possible that the PMC chair hat can be locked in a closet and used *only* when the shit hits the fan or when the project has to report its evolution to the board@... otherwise the friction on this list will never stop!
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