Thanks for your kind words and sharing of your profound wisdom. Of course, you are totally right once again!!!!
-- dims On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read your emails but I did not find an explanation of why you think > we're a shell of what we used to be. > > While I of course realize that you have personal issues against me, this is > a community discussion and you should try to keep the conversation about the > community and not about your issues with me. > > If you don't want to explain your position that we've recently gone downhill > that's fine, but telling me to get lost is not good enough and MOST > CERTAINLY will not work. I've been around here since before any of this > stuff existed and I sure ain't going nowhere .. not as long as I'm alive and > kicking! > > Nice try, though. > > Sanjiva. > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: >> >> I've given concrete examples if you bothered to read my emails. At >> this point, i'll say get lost! >> >> thanks, >> dims >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> If you want to have a conversation about this topic then you should be >>> ready >>> to explain your statements. You have made bold statements about how >>> things >>> have gone down hill but yet you have no explanation except some attempt >>> at a >>> smart-ass response. Doesn't quite work. >>> >>> Sanjiva. >>> >>> Davanum Srinivas wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the deep insight and pointing out my double standards. >>>> >>>> -- dims >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Um, didn't the umbrella grow to this size under your watch?? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not opposed to a new TLP, but I don't understand on what basis >>>>> you're >>>>> claiming "we are now just a shell of what we used to be". >>>>> >>>>> Sanjiva. >>>>> >>>>> Davanum Srinivas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> related note - i once upon a time used to hold ws up as the best model >>>>>> of working in open source. It's a tragic pity that we are now just a >>>>>> shell of what we used to be. my 2 cents. YMMV. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- dims >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samisa, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have hit the nail on the head. People are who they are. Right now >>>>>>> the umbrella is so vast that everyone is able to hide behind others. >>>>>>> There is no accountability. When there is a smaller group of active >>>>>>> people, There will be better accountability to each other and to the >>>>>>> board and to our end users. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are tactics that we can employ for example, we should make a >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> single release including all projects including XmlSchema, Rampart >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Sandesha with Axis2. But still make extra releases of say Sandesha2 >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> necessary as well separately for Sandesha. You will ask, why can't we >>>>>>> do this today and i'll say that these kind of tactics work better >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a TLP like focus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> dims >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Samisa Abeysinghe >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Davanum Srinivas wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eran, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clearly you did not read my previous emails. *PLEASE* read them and >>>>>>>>> then we can continue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For example, I said "1. The proposal was to split Axis2+Anything >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2 into a separate TLP." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, i said this before, but repeat it again, The current status >>>>>>>>> quo >>>>>>>>> sucks. What we have is not working. >>>>>>>>> - Really bad web sites >>>>>>>>> - Really bad status of JIRA issues >>>>>>>>> - Really bad track record of making releases periodically >>>>>>>>> - There are many disjoint islands >>>>>>>>> - The set of projects mentioned above is totally disjoint from >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> projects in WS PMC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How can a TLP solve all these? If people are who they are now, even >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>> making Axis2 a TLP, the bad websites and bad release cycles will >>>>>>>> remain. >>>>>>>> On the other hand, if we cannot sync the releases of Axis2's sub >>>>>>>> projects, >>>>>>>> then irrespective of Axis2 being a TLP, it would turn out to be a >>>>>>>> useless >>>>>>>> project. Because one of Axis2's key strenghts is the set of sub >>>>>>>> projects >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> has. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So IMHO, what is more important is to solve the above problems. >>>>>>>> However, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> doubt if TLP would be a solution for that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Samisa... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What we have is broken, We are not the only ones in this situation, >>>>>>>>> this has happened before at Apache with XML and Jakarta PMC's. >>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>> go and look at the history and how the projects are faring now >>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>> becoming logical/smaller footprint PMCs. Please go ask them or ask >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> board@ or ask members if you don't believe, let's learn from their >>>>>>>>> experiences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *IF* people who are on the current projects that are not in the " >>>>>>>>> Axis2+Anything that Axis2 Uses+Anything that is built on Axis2" >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> want to tell us something, they should chime in and tell us what >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> think and we'll take a vote. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right now it's just a few of us who are just repeating the same >>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>> over and over again without even reading what the other person is >>>>>>>>> saying. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>>>> dims >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Eran Chinthaka >>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Davanum Srinivas >>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chinthaka, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What are the problems that will be created? Please enumerate >>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>> How >>>>>>>>>>> is it being handled / smoothed over now and what would change >>>>>>>>>>> specifically to make the cooperation not happen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Problems : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Another member will have to waste time on doing PMC work >>>>>>>>>> 2. We will lose the tight dependency between Axis2 and related >>>>>>>>>> projects >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> Axiom, Neethi, Sandesha, etc., >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are numerous things like this that will happen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you can point your finger to specific scenarios. We can see if >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> can come up with specific solutions. (Say common svn area where >>>>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>>>> committers can have access). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me back up. What is broken in the current layout that mandates >>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>> for different TLPs? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, Don't mind me, i repeat my mantra for the n-th time again. >>>>>>>>>>> Those >>>>>>>>>>> who are actively working on a day to day basis should be taking >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> decisions. What we are doing is not working and i propose we try >>>>>>>>>>> something new to see if it will work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My point is exactly this. Why do we waste time on going to fix >>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>> which is not broken? Let's get back to work ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Samisa Abeysinghe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~samisa/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >>>>> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; >>>>> http://www.opensource.lk/ >>>>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ >>>>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>>>> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ >>>>> >>>>> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. >>> Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ >>> Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ >>> Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ >>> Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ >>> >>> Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. > Founder & Director; Lanka Software Foundation; http://www.opensource.lk/ > Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://www.wso2.com/ > Member; Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org/ > Visiting Lecturer; University of Moratuwa; http://www.cse.mrt.ac.lk/ > > Blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
