Dear Sonia:
I would certainly agree that if there is any danger of legal prosecution, then
discretion is the better part of valor, I am grateful to you and Cheri for
educating me as to the law,. I suppose that in the future, when somebody on the
list is desperate for information and I know that there is a treasure trove in
Rodrigo Rodrigues, I will simply cite the chapter and section and tell that
person to look it up in that work. There were only 500 copies printed. How many
do you think are available in the US and available for an intra-library loan? I
bought one of those 6 volume sets. I will take great care to abide by the law
and not share any information protected by copyright on a public list,
My lawyer tells me that whenever a letter is sent to somebody, there is no
expectaion of privacy, and no protection against disemination. There is no
copyrifgt protection. I wonder if that applies to an e-mail sent to me as a
member of a list?
As for Edna and her fine work, I think she would be delighted to know that she
has left an enduring legacy that will perpetuate her memory. Edna and I
exchanged several e-mails. Her translation of Saudades da Terra went through 3
printings. As for the quality, it is a terrible translation, except for the
fact that since there is no other, it is the best English translation
available. And, it is good enough to do the trick. It has helped many, many
Azorean-Americans connect back to the earliest Azorean colonists and, in some
cases, back to the the nobility and royalty of Portugal. How many copies of
Edna's translation do you think are available in American libraries and
available for intra-libraryt loan? Those who have no access to Edna's book will
need to make do with the original 16th century Portuguese of Gaspar Frutuoso.
I am fluent in Portuguese and can easily read even the handwritten entries in
the Ribeira Grande parish registers kept by Gaspar Frutuoso, so I have no need
of English translations, but I can sympathize with those who cannot read even
typed Portuguese,
Thank you for clarifying the copyright restrictions. However, relative to those
restrictions, unpleasant though those restrictions are, the law is the
law (dura lex sed lex) and I do not want to shoot the messanger. I cannot help
but quote Charles Dickens, though: "If the law says that then the law is an
ass."
I am in your debt and in Cheri's for claifying the law for me. Thank you!
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Sonia Pacheco <spacheco@umassd.eJohndu> wrote:
From: Sonia Pacheco <spach...@umassd.edu>
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 2:31 PM
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John,
I most certainly do not want to turn this into an ethical discussion that veers
away from the intent of the list-serv; however, I feel beholden to let you know
that an item does not need to state that it is copyrighted in order for it to
be and the argument that you made about the perpetuation of Edna's memory via
her work is not a valid legal statement.
I would strongly recommend that if anybody is indeed going to pursue obtaining
a complete copy of this work, and one that Cheri has pointed out is very badly
translated, you do so off of a PUBLIC venue.
Sonia
Sónia Pacheco
Librarian Archivist
Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
Claire T. Carney Library
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
285 Old Westport Road
N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
Tel. 508-999-8695
Fax 508-999-8424
Email spach...@umassd.edu
Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html
From: "John Raposo" <marra...@yahoo.com>
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:12:18 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing
indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing
unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing
Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better
translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese
reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy.
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Linda Norton <patli...@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Linda Norton <patli...@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:36 AM
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published
in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in
the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley,
CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.
I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I
think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took
the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of
the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands.
Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the
list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland.
Eloise
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?
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