Ralph, I have a database of Cedros, Flores. My gg grandfather was from there. I don't have your Agostinho Jose, but I'll take a look around for him and get back to you.
Eric Edgar On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Ralph Sellars <resj...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello David: > > I have been reading your post with interest. I am a novice at Azores > genealogy so I don't know how to address issues but post to ask a > question. Have you discovered any of your Silveira's may have come > from Cedros, Flores which is on the north east shore ? > > I have a great grandfather known in the states as Manuel Lewis ! He was a > mariner/fisherman who resided in Provincetown Massachusetts. His USA > papers show him born in Flores in 1834. I have recently learned the > following: > > Translation:****** > Manuel, son of José Joaquim da Silveira and his wife Catarina Luísa, > paternal grandson of captain Agostinho José da Silveira and Rita Ináciaand > maternal of Manuel > Inácio da Silveira and Ana Joaquina, both native of Cedros, Flores > Island, was born on 10 July 1834 and was baptized on the 11th, in Cedros. > Witnesses were João José and Manuel Francisco." This was the only > Manuel found born in 1834 to a father named Jose and mother named Catarina > in a search of seven Flores freguesias. > > I don't have any sense of how mobile families were on the Island, > community to community, but having many of the same names, Silveira, > Jose, Ana/Anna, Inacia, etc. I am wondering if we may be distantly > related? > > Manuel is my mothers grandfather. I am wondering if I might have a DNA > test made. I don't know if it would tell us anything compared to your test > or which test would be necessary. What test did you have made. > > *Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. * > *E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com* > ** > > *From:* David <dsdscorn...@gmail.com> > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:27 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus > Flores/Corvo and Faial questions > > Yes, I had already seen the passport application, and this is indeed my > Antonio and Anna Hurd. The date of birth differs, though, from some > other records, all of which however are 1844-45. > > The Ribeirinha record is interesting -- where did you get it, the UMinhosite? > -- but, aside from the 7 day difference in birth date, it also > conflicts with the information listed on his 1870 Providence marriage > certificate, where his parents are listed (anglicized) as Manuel and Rose > and so presumably the correct names are Manuel and Rosa. While the > Ribeirinha Maria Rosa may be my Rosa, it seems less likely that the > Ribeirinha Francisco Inácio da Terra is my Manuel. > > Can't wait for CCA to finish loading all of Faial, so looks like it's > time for microfiche at the LDS FHC... > > Thanks again, > > David da Silva Cornell > > On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: > > > > Here's a better choice for Antonio Hurd. The attached Passport from 1903 > is clearly Antonio and Anna Hurd He shows he was born at Faial on 6 Sep1844 > > António > Nascido(a) a 13 de Junho de 1844 - Ribeirinha > Falecido(a) > > Pais > > Francisco Inácio da Terra 1814-1880 > Maria Rosa 1809-1844 > > He states he is returning to New Bedford where he runs a boarding house. > > The difference of 7 days may be between birth and baptism > > Eric Edgar > > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, eric edgar <nobla...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Flores marriage book doesn't show anything record for Bernardo Joze > Lourenco. > > The 1870 census shows Anna is eighteen, as does her marriage record of the > same year. That puts her birth at 1851-1852. > > Obit for their son from Diario de Noticias attached . > > I've searched my Flores databases for Anna with out success. I have many > Coelho, Lourenco and Freitas families related to mine. > > I think this is the origin of your Terra family in Faial : > > *António Inácio da Terra* > * > * > * * > *Nascido a 25 de Abril de 1800 - Pedro Miguel* > * > * > *Casado a 29 de Maio de 1841 com Rosa Perpétua de Jesus 1808 > * > * > * > *Pais* > * > * > *Manuel Inácio Furtado da Terra 1773-1848 > * > *Eugénia Rosa de Jesus 1771-1834* > > > > > The obit shows that Antonio Inacio da Terra was known as Antonio Pequeno > > This article shows that Antonio Furtado is known as Antonio Pequeno. > > > Eric Edgar > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM, David da Silva Cornell < > dsdsc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It has been several years since I last posted here, but I'm still > quite grateful for the help I received here. After a hiatus in my > research, I have been getting back into the swing of things and could > really use a helping hand -- or, actually, helping eyes -- again. > > I have located what I believe is the baptismal record of my > great-great-grandmother, who emigrated to Providence at age 9, and prior to > her marriage to my great-great-grandfather Antone/Antonio Hurd (born > Antonio da Terra on Faial, son of Manuel and Roza) was known in the US > records as Anna Freitas/Frates/Fratis. > > Previously, I only knew that she was from Flores; that her parents were > José and Anna; that she had Lourenço and Coelho relatives; and that the > family Bible gave her birthdate as March 30, 1854. I had no freguesiafor > her, though. > > Having now gone through all of the Flores parishes on the CCA site, I > have located an Anna who appears to be the only Anna born on Flores on > March 30, 1854, to a José and Anna, with Freitas and Lourenço both among > the surnames mentioned. (I don't see Coelho, but it might be one of the > words I can't make out.) > > The record in question is in the records for what used to be known as the > parish of the Fajãs but apparently now (after Fajã Grande, where this > family lived, and other nearby places spun off to become their own > parishes) is known just as Fajãzinha (retaining what had once been the > church for the entire former parish of the Fajãs). The record can be > found here: http://www.culturacores. azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ digital/ > FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B- 1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B- > 1850-1860_item1/P52.html<http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P52.html> > > My own painful deciphering of the handwriting -- which was very helpfully > aided by using as a template an 1854 baptismal record from the same parish > already deciphered here a year ago for Katharine Baker, which appears in > the same book and was apparently written by the same priest (Katharine, if > you read this, your ancestor is No. 18 of 1854 and mine is no. 25 of that > year, and both records include folks named Freitas, so I'd wager we > connect somewhere there) -- has resulted in what I think is an almost > complete transcription of Anna's baptismal record, but there are still some > words and/or abbreviations I just can't make out no matter how long I stare > at them (and of course I may also have made mistakes that I'm not aware of). > > This is what I get, following the same line breaks as in the original, > with underlined spaces where I can't make out the words and brackets for > miscellaneous comments: > > Anna > [No.] 25 > filha de Bernardo Jozé Lourenço _____ e de Sua m.er [mulher] Anna Emi- > lia moradores na Fajangrande neta pela parte paterna de M.el [Manoel] > Lourenço _____ e de Sua m.er [mulher] Catherina de Freitaz e pela ma- > terna de Antonio Rodriguez de Freitaz e de Sua mulher Marianna > de ________ o avo paterno natural da Ilha do Corvo ________ > naturaiz e freguesoz da Par.al [Parochial, i.e. modern "Paroquial"] Igreja > de N. [Nossa] Snr.a [Senhora] dos Remedioz > da freguesia das Fajans da Ilha das Florez nascio [i.e., modern "nasceu"] > aos trinta > dias do mez de Março de mil oito centos cincoenta e quatro > foi baptizada _________________ Par.al [Parochial] pelo ___ ____ > Antonio > Jozé de Freitaz [e?] lhe pos os Santos Oleos aos dois dias do mez > de Abril do dito anno foi padrinho o __ Vigário Diogo > Antonio Jozé de Freitas _____________ Antonio [or Antonia?] P.el [ > Pimentel?] e Jozé Jo- > aquim. E para constar se fiz este termo que asignei era > ut supra. > > De Antonio P.el [Pimentel?] > De Jozé __ Joaq.m [Joaquim] > O V.gro [Vigário] Diogo Antonio J. de Freitaz > > > Any deciphering of what the blanks say, and any correction of any mistakes > I have made, would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, this record has led to the following questions for me: > > 1. I know that this group periodically discusses some materials that one > can use to help educate oneself to read the records' handwriting better, > but I can't seem to locate a reference to where those materials can be > found. Would someone please be kind enough to point me to them? I know > it's only going to get harder as I go further back in time! > > 2. I have noted here recurring references to a book of Flores and > Corvomarriages and to a book of Flores families... Where can one obtain > copies > of these books, if that is even possible (or, if not possible, does the > LDS Family Center network have access to copies that one can borrow)? > > And a final, non-Flores/Corvo question, relating to Anna's faialensehusband > and his parents: > > 3. I have not found my Terra ancestors in the UMinho records, nor have I > found them in the four Faial freguesias for which the CCA has records up > right now. Does anyone have any idea when the remaining freguesias from > Faial will be up on the CCA site? > > With many thanks for any answers or guidance on the above, > > David da Silva Cornell > Miami, FL > > Researching the following surnames: > > Corvo - Lourenço > > Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s)) > > Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (Fajã Grande, formerly in the parish > of Fajãs) > > Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira, > Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem, > Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares(all > Lajes do Pico) > > S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo, > Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande) > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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