The Baha'i Studies Listserv In addition to this lively and interesting exchange between our dear Gilberto and Naison Jones I wished to interject at least for a momentary consideration what the self-definition of the Bahai Faith is.
Without this self-definition we are barking up the wrong tree and it would be a great pity that on a Bahai Studies List this self definition is never looked at and instead alleged scandals are brought to the fore. This is its self-definition and once again I beg you all (if you wish genuinely to keep the list faithful to its promise) to please study it together. I love us to discuss a genuine sacred text. **Though sprung from Shi'ih Islam, and regarded, in the early stages of its development, by the followers of both the Muslim and Christian Faiths, as an obscure sect, an Asiatic cult or an offshoot of the Muhammadan religion, this Faith is now increasingly demonstrating its right to be recognized, not as one more religious system superimposed on the conflicting creeds which for so many generations have divided mankind and darkened its fortunes, but rather as a restatement of the eternal verities underlying all the religions of the past, as a unifying force instilling into the adherents of these religions a new spiritual vigor, infusing them with a new hope and love for mankind, firing them with a new vision of fundamental unity of their religious doctrines, and unfolding to their eyes the glorious destiny that awaits the human race. The fundamental principle enunciated by Bahá'u'lláh, the followers of His Faith firmly believe, is that Religious truth is not absolute but relative, that Divine Revelation is a continuous and progressive process, that all the great religions of the world are divine in origin, that their basic principles are in complete harmony, that their aims and purposes are one and the same, that their teachings are but facets of one truth, that their functions are complementary, that they differ only in the non-essential aspects of their doctrines and that their missions represent successive stages in the spiritual evolution of human society. The aim of Bahá'u'lláh, the Prophet of this new and great age which humanity has entered upon -- He whose advent fulfils the prophecies of the Old and New Testaments as well as those of the Qur'án regarding the coming of the Promised One in the end of time, on the Day of Judgment -- is not to destroy but to fulfill the Revelations of the past, to reconcile rather than accentuate the divergences of the conflicting creeds which disrupt present-day society. (Shoghi Effendi on the Ocean Texts and Scriptures) He Who in such dramatic circumstances was made to sustain the overpowering weight of so glorious a Mission was none other than the One Whom posterity will acclaim, and Whom innumerable followers already recognize, as the Judge, the Lawgiver and Redeemer of all mankind, as the Organizer of the entire planet, as the Unifier of the children of men, as the Inaugurator of the long-awaited millennium, as the Originator of a new "Universal Cycle," as the Establisher of the Most Great Peace, as the Fountain of the Most Great Justice, as the Proclaimer of the coming of age of the entire human race, as the Creator of a new World Order, and as the Inspirer and Founder of a world civilization. To Christendom (He was) Christ returned "in the glory of the Father," to Shí'ah Islam the return of the Imam Husayn; to Sunni Islam the descent of the "Spirit of God" (Jesus Christ); (Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 93) These are the sacred texts that pulsate in my soul With kindest regards khazeh From: bounce-548400-27...@list.jccc.edu [mailto:bounce-548400-27...@list.jccc.edu] On Behalf Of Gilberto Simpson Sent: 22 December 2010 04:14 To: Baha'i Studies Do you really think in 2000 years time the new muslims arriving and declaring their belief in that time will have a deeper understanding of Islam than the ones now? I think that in 2000 years, Islam as a civilization will have more jewels, more treasures in it, intellectually, creatively, artistically, theologically. etc. So the new Muslim at that time will have more resources to sustain them. Older a religion gets the more remote it becomes that is just how things are. Some things are definitely lost with time, but other things are built up. I'm not sure which passage you specifically wanted a comment on, but even in the Bahai Faith there have been a number of different financial scandals among the leadership. Religious organizations, across the board, have potential challenges with leadership, with some structures being more transparent, democratic, flexible, etc. than others. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548413-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu