Does this work and Weighted Multi-Path Procedures for EVPN Multi-homing address
the same field of use?
Thanks,
Jim Uttaro
From: BESS <bess-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Gyan Mishra
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 12:57 AM
To: Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net>
Cc: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i...@gmail.com>; Arie Vayner <ar...@vayner.net>;
bess@ietf.org; Satya Mohanty (satyamoh) <satyamoh=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [bess] Request discussion on Cumulative Link Bandwidth Draft
Across the DC space in general most providers use NVO3 and vxlan source port
entropy L2/L3/L4 hash which provides per packet uniform 50/50 load balancing at
the L2 VNI overlay layer, which translates into underlay load balancing of
flows and thus no polarization.
Across the DC space speaking from an operators perspective as under the floor
fiber is not at a premium compare to 100G facilities costs the net addition of
bandwidth can be done fairly quickly so you are ahead of the congestion curve
and can be proactive versus reactively upgrading bandwidth piecemeal here and
there ad hoc.
There still maybe cases that still arise as even if you have the fiber
infrastructure available, it’s not easy to upgrade and flash every link
simultaneously in the DC in one or multiple maintenance windows, so you could
still be left with some uneven bandwidth across the DC that could utilize this
feature.
DC comes into play for PE-CE “wan links”as well use case for unequal cost load
balancing use of the cumulative link bandwidth community regenerated.
I think the use case where both the iBGP P core P-P links or eBGP PE - PE
inter-as are all wan links where link upgrades tend to not get done in unison
uniformly, and in those cases both iBGP link bandwidth community can be heavily
utilized as well as eBGP cumulative regenerated link bandwidth community for
unequal cost load balancing. Across the core as well it is hard to flash all
links even under floor fiber to the same bandwidth all at once you are left
with the requirement for unequal coat load balancing.
As operators upgrade their DC as well as core infrastructure to IPv6 forwarding
plane in the move towards SRv6, they can now take advantage of flow label
entropy stateless uniform load balancing and elimination of polarization.
However, the wan link upgrades of core and DC PE-CE still exists and thus may
be done piecemeal, so then both of the drafts are an extremely helpful tool for
operators that much need the unequal cost load balancing capability.
I support both drafts.
Have most vendors implemented this to support both 2 byte and 4 byte AS
extended community. The drafts state 2 byte AS support.
Thanks
Gyan
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 7:00 PM Robert Raszuk
<rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote:
Hi Arie,
Draft draft-ietf-idr-link-bandwidth talks about advertising towards IBGP. It
does not talk about advertising over EBGP.
While I do support your use case I think it would be much cleaner to just ask
for new ext. community type.
Reason being that as you illustrate you may want to accumulate BGP path's bw
across few EBGP hops in the DC. Today there is no way to do so unless you want
to completely hijack current lb ext community.
Also I see an analogy here to AIGP RFC although it clearly fits rather poorly
for those who use BGP as IGP :).
Best, R.
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:22 AM Arie Vayner
<ar...@vayner.net<mailto:ar...@vayner.net>> wrote:
Jeff,
Actually, the way this draft is written, and how the implementations I'm aware
of are implemented, this is not really a transitive community. It is a new
community that is being generated on the AS boundary.
The community value is not carried over, but is calculated based on an
cumulative value of other received communities, and then advertised as a new
value across the AS boundary.
Tnx,
Arie
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:55 PM Jeff Tantsura
<jefftant.i...@gmail.com<mailto:jefftant.i...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I support adoption of the draft as Informational, please note, that request to
change transitivity characteristics of the community is requested in another
draft.
Gyan - please note, while pretty much every vendor has implemented the
community and relevant data-plane constructs, initial draft defines the
community as non transititive, some vendors have followed that while some other
have implemented it a transitive (to support obvious use case - eBGP in DC).
Cheers,
Jeff
On May 22, 2021, 8:38 AM -0700, Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)
<satyamoh=40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40cisco....@dmarc.ietf.org>>, wrote:
Hi all,
On behalf of all the authors, we request a discussion of the draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mohanty-bess-ebgp-dmz-03<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mohanty-bess-ebgp-dmz-03__;!!BhdT!0b982PpfH6BN3cZfnleSv0ex_IJjKEMUOXi42a_RhyGg6nB17aWOnm6zLkY$>
and subsequent WG adoption.
This draft extends the usage of the DMZ link bandwidth to scenarios where the
cumulative link bandwidth needs to be advertised to a BGP speaker.
Additionally, there is provision to send the link bandwidth extended community
to EBGP speakers via configurable knobs. Please refer to section 3 and 4 for
the use cases.
This feature has multiple-vendor implementations and has been deployed by
several customers in their networks.
Best Regards,
--Satya
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