First of all, neither the masses nor the enthusiasts want a server, they neither want SBS nor a generic UPnP server. The only people who want a server are computer geeks (persons that know they are geeks and persons who are geeks without yet knowing it)
As I look at it there are: 1. Players 2. Music As long as the player is able to play the music I'm happy, I really don't care where the music is stored and served, I just want to access it: 1. From anywhere, any room and both from stationary devices like the Touch, portable devices like the Radio and mobile devices like an Android/iOS phone. 2. Without the need to turn manually turn on a computer 3. Without the need to have a stationary computer, the future regarding computers lies in laptops and tablets, while stationary computers and even more so servers are the past. Only geeks wants to have a server in their home. 4. Without any network wires, everything is going to be wireless in the future. 5. I want to be able to control it using the remote control device I have in my hand, it might be a laptop, a IR remote, a tablet or a phone depending on which room I'm currently in. Via third party apps, SBS and Squeezebox currently supports 1 and 5. With TinySBS on the Touch they would have been able to support 2, 3 and 4, if the Squeezebox Touch hardware would have been up to the task. Unfortunately the Touch hardware isn't good enough and currently Logitech seems to focus more on Windows and OSX than the operating systems which likely are going to be used in a "non computer" server like a NAS, Sheevaplug, Vortexbox or player with built in server support. The DLNA/UPnP standard might sound good because it's a standard but in reality it's too complex and it's not clearly specified in some areas which makes it hard for manufacturers to make sure their devices work with all possible servers and vice versa. It's also important to know that while DLNA might work good on the TV in the living room it really isn't designed to handle a multi room music streaming system with smart playlists and similar things. DLNA/UPnP can be the base for something like this but you need to build a proprietary solution on top of it to get it to work. Regarding multi room there are: 1. Possibility to select and play music in any room in the house 2. Possibility to synchronize music between different rooms I'm fairly sure that while point 1 is important, point 2 isn't used much by most people today. The main reason being that in most families a family member is lucky if he/she can listen to the music he/she likes in one of the the rooms, it's probably pretty rare that everyone else in the family want to listen to the same things in all the other rooms. So in my mind it's important to be able to play music in any room but it's a lot less important to be able to play synchronized music between two or more rooms. Still, if LMS with its UPnP server would be opened up for third party plugins in similar fashion as SlimDevices did with the old SBS, I feel it might be possible for third parties to extend it to be something really great. Unfortunately, this really doesn't seem to be a priority at the moment, I might have missed something but the last time I checked the UPnP support in LMS wasn't possible to extend/enhance with third party plugins at all. Without third party plugins support the UPnP effort in LMS is more or less pointless in my mind, because it will be like SBS without any third party plugins/applets. It will only support the features which Logitech decides to develop and we all know that the Squeezebox team has been decreased in size more and more during the last years. So without third party plugins support I'm fairly sure there will be better UPnP servers available than LMS. Regarding Squeezebox and proprietary server, it's important to know that the protocol used by both the old and new Squeezebox models is completely opened. Anyone that wants can implement their own server for Squeezebox players, there are a few servers currently being developed but none of them currently contains anywhere near all the features supported by SBS. Most(all?) of the custom built servers I know of are designed to require less resources to make them possible to run on a "non computer" like hardware. -- erland Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info)) (Developer of 'many plugins/applets' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland). If my answer helped you and you like to encourage future presence on this forum and/or third party plugin/applet development, 'donations are always appreciated' (http://erland.isaksson.info/donate)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90063 _______________________________________________ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta