Hi All,

Just want to respond to this since it was my post that started it.

First off, my apologies for not posting links. I honestly had intended only to 
post to gage interest in a possible weekly chat for folks who were already 
playing the game, rather than discuss the game itself.

Secondly, since I am only playing the XBox version, and am not playing on PC or 
looking to play this on a Mac, I had no idea where to download the actual game.

For future reference for everyone not on console, when anyone mentions that a 
game is on XBox, you can only ever install that from the Microsoft store that I 
know of, so there is only one place to find those games. Obviously, since this 
game is also available natively on PC and also on Steam, this is where the 
confusion happens.

As a note of interest, I did see someone playing this on an M1 Mac so I am 
assuming this is via Steam. So this does seem to be possible.

Also, it looks like Apple will have more ability to run Windows titles natively 
in the near future so it should be much easier to run these titles on Mac.

Lastly, to the person who mentioned that a Forza Discord server already exists, 
(Forza Motorsport Blind Masters) I did look it up and found that the link had 
expired.

Do you know if this still exists, or do you have an updated link?

At this point, I don’t see why having another Forza chat would be a bad thing 
so for now at least, I’ll plan on seeing if folks would still like to do this. 
Any thoughts, anyone? :)

So once again, my apologies for unknowingly starting a contentious thread. It 
was certainly not my intention.

I wish you all a wonderful weekend and to those who are interested in Forza, 
happy racing! :)

Cheers!

Cara





> On Nov 10, 2023, at 12:49 PM, Charles Rivard <wee1s...@fidnet.com> wrote:
> 
> Who are the rats?  (ornery grin)
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Peter Donahue <mailto:pdonah...@satx.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 12:39 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Hello Matt and everyone,
>  
>                 This is another example of what I call the referral rat race.
>  
> Peter Donahue
>  
>  
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew 
> Chao via groups.io
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 8:53 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Hi, Charles.  Totally agree.  How many times have we followed multiple Google 
> links, only to find that they weren't what we were looking for.  Frankly, 
> that's truly a waste of time.--Matthew Chao
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 11/10/2023 9:47 AM, Charles Rivard wrote:
> Marta’s message was, in my opinion, offensive.  Employment status has nothing 
> to do with it.  We’re not asking for a huge and complete list of links.  It 
> might be a bit overwhelming to some people when they find 6,875 results, most 
> of which aren’t what you’re looking for.  Also, answering a question with the 
> results asked for is not spoon feeding.  It is directly helping.  Merely 
> telling someone to Google it is the lazy way.  If you’re too busy to provide 
> a link, skip it rather than sending an insult.  If you’re too buty to answer, 
> you’re too busy.  Manage your time better.
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Tyler Wood <mailto:tcwoo...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 1:29 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Ironic - a message containing 2 words that does absolutely nothing to help 
> anyone in this thread or anyone reading it, but yet we’re complaining about 
> cluttering up the list asking for links.
> I agree that research could be done. Far too many people just want the direct 
> link to something. I feel like internet searches should be the basic thing 
> people learn when they browse the internet  so they can answer their own 
> question. On the other side of that, people here are probably used to obscure 
> websites and don’t realize that this is not the same as an audio game. You 
> don’t have to know the exact link. Still, though, really, I think doing a 
> quick search before asking this question would net you the result you seek.
>  
> On the other side of that coin, I don’t think pointing fingers at someone’s 
> employment status or lack thereof was at all necessary or respectful in any 
> way as it applies to doing a search, laziness, or any of that nonsense. The 
> fact that it was a long drawn out message complaining about how you work when 
> grabbing the link would have taken less time, lol. The irony is real on both 
> sides here and I hope I’m not the only one who sees this for what it is.
>  
> Yes, use your search engine of choice. If asked for the link, a polite hey, 
> do an  internet (google, duckduckgo, privacy centric as it may or may not be, 
>  search. It’ll show up is all that’s needed.
>  
> My first, last, and only message on this subject. TLDR – we are all humans 
> behind keyboards and all have difficult days sometimes. No worries, let the 
> games guide you and enjoy them for what they are.
> From: haylieg2...@gmail.com <mailto:haylieg2...@gmail.com>
> Sent: November 9, 2023 11:08 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Agree completely!
> Haylie
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> <blind-gamers@groups.io> <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marda
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 11:16 PM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Yes it is nice when someone is thoughtful enough to provide a link.  However, 
> a lot of people don't have time to compile a comprehensive resource list of 
> links.  Also, some of them, like me, haven't put links into email enough to 
> be comfortable doing it so I might say something like, "Yes I know this is a 
> PC game that it is available.  Put the title of the game into your search 
> engine of choice.  Personally I don't like google so I use another search 
> engine (actually a couple) more often than google for a lot of reasons.  Some 
> of us are working and/or on a lot of lists and we don't have time to do all 
> yoru research for you.  Some of you, Mitch for instance, I know you're not 
> employed so you're home and would have more time to do research on uyour own. 
>  When we give ideas of what to type in in order to help someone research we 
> are encouraging that person to become more independent rather than expecting 
> others to simply hand them information and spoon feed it to them.  Sure, if 
> you're friends with someone and want to provide a link, no problem.  But if 
> someone gives you some information,like the mame of a game or the fact that 
> they found it on google, then you're perfectly able to learn to look it up 
> yourself especially if you have time.  Expecting someone to do it for you 
> when you have time to do it yourself is lazy and unfair to other people and 
> certainly not showing independenc eor initiative.  It is showing entitlement, 
> expecting people to do all the work for you.  It's one thing if someone is 
> new to tech or newly blind or is extremely busy or whatever but the point is 
> a lot of blind people just don't bother to learn to research for themselves 
> and there's no reason why they can't.  The purpose of the lists is yes to 
> share information but it's not just to expect people to always hand you all 
> the info without trying to get it yourself as well.
> 
> Marda
> 
> On 11/9/2023 8:13 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
> 
> I also 100% agree, as am so sick of always hearing, "google this", "google 
> that", and "google the other" all the time.
>  
> Simon
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mich Verrier <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2023 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Yes that is why I made this post in hopes that people would pervade links to 
> these things instead of like you said just telling them to ook them up on 
> google. So I agree with that. from Mich.
>  
> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> 
> <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf Of Charles 
> Rivard
> Sent: November 9, 2023 10:29 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> My personal opinion is that if someone asks, specifically, for links, and you 
> know them, you should provide them, rather than merely suggest that the 
> person look them up on Google.  That would be far more helpful, which is the 
> purpose of the list.  After all, there are times when it is still difficult 
> to quickly and easily find something through a Google search.
>  
> When you think you’re finished, You! Are! Finished!
>  
> From: Gene Warner <mailto:genewarn...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 7:19 AM
> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] games that are on xbox and pc can people please 
> give links?
>  
> Have you tried searching on Google for something like "forza motor sport
> pc game"? That's what I always do and it usually finds what I'm looking
> for unless the game isn't on the PC.
>  
> Gene...
>  
>  
> On 11/9/2023 7:47 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:
> > Hi all I have seen people talking about games that are on xbox as well
> > as the same games   on pc. but they don’t give the places where to get
> > these games? Just now I saw some one replying to a question about where
> > to get the forza motor sport game for the pc. I think and I am Shure
> > others would agree it would be helpful for some one to compile a list of
> > resources for games that are on xbox as well as the same games on  pc.
> > just saying things like yep it is on pc when some one asking about these
> > games is not that helpful. It would be nice to have a list. From Mich
> > Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
> >
> >
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