For the record, some progs will leave folders behind when you uninstall.
I have addremove for good from 4dev.com
its only 8 bucks us and is only 400kb
And you can remove from any user.
The reason I grabbed this was when I got into xp I hated the interface for the
ms one.
I still do.
At 04:15 a.m. 22/02/2006, you wrote:
>How about microsoft's add/remove? never works quite right huh? Always leaves
>folders and things behind. heh.
>I think it's quicker to remove things manually. haha
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:11 PM
>Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news.
>
>
>>I just wish people like microsoft thought about that before releasing
>>things.
>> Its not happened to me but there are people I know locally that do not
>> update anything, except their antivirus deffinitions and spyware
>> protection database.
>> The reason is that updates crash things.
>> And you have to reformat.
>> Maybe not true but it makes me think.
>> If there were more people with your atatude we wouldn't have these
>> problems.
>> There are a few things that I am apposed to.
>> 1. prices going up, and a software program costing more than it should.
>> And activation, as it requires personal info.
>> What happens while its going over the net and what happens if someone
>> hacks into the server the info is on?
>> Same with cookies even though most are safe.
>> The other is these visual graphics.
>> Not accessible and they are just php which can be hacked, language is
>> free.
>> I know this will never happen with the blindness gaming industry but the
>> other thing is a program saying we are free but we need to put adds on
>> your system so we can advertise so you can pay.
>> Thats fine, programs like getright and eudora do this buy hosting the adds
>> on their own servers, and some stuff is done through google.
>> But its when the adds are from spyware programs.
>> Fine if they support the programs, but usualy not.
>> Then when you kill the programs, you have to kill the spyware then you
>> find yourself subscribed to spammy scammy things, porn and getting stupid
>> things charged to your credit cards.
>>
>> Another thing is when standards are not up to scratch and then the prices
>> are high as.
>> Its a shame that with some programs you can't take peoples word at all.
>> And then there are programs that are not designed right and totaly trash
>> the system because sertain windows files are blocked, and I could go on
>> with this but will not.
>> At 02:08 p.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>Hi, Will.
>>>All I can say in my own defense was I wasn't aware of this security
>>>issue when I began designing titles for USA Games. My soul interest was
>>>writing the games, and figuring I could concintrate on security later.
>>>Couple that with a fact I normally write apps for Unix type operating
>>>systems, and I was writing my first serious Windows applications in
>>>dotnet I didn't know the cons of dotnet development that I know now.
>>>Now that I know I am in a position to correct that error before someone
>>>has a chance to take advantage of my previous mistakes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>will wrote:
>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> i'd just release the game now and if people hack it so what, it gonna
>>>> happen
>>>> that the way of life
>>>> as liam says, honest people will buy it, dishonest, won't
>>>> To be fair this security issue should have been checked out before
>>>> development, if this was an issue with dot net
>>>> not flaming just pointing out and commenting
>>>> regards, will
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: USA Games news.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi, Shaun.
>>>> > yes, that is correct. we have to start over from scratch if we switch
>>>> > to
>>>> > C++.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > shaun everiss wrote:
>>>> >> so this means you need to redo the usagames engine to then?
>>>> >> At 08:58 a.m. 21/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hi, Shaun.
>>>> >>> I really can't even begin to make a guess at when the updated STFC
>>>> >>> 1.0
>>>> >>> would be ready. As you might guess some code can be directly copied
>>>> >>> or
>>>> >>> salvaged, and some of it has to be rewritten do to C++ specific
>>>> language
>>>> >>> requirements.
>>>> >>> One thing right now is I don't have the USA Games engine now that
>>>> it has
>>>> >>> the same security issues as the game so everything is upside down,
>>>> >>> and
>>>> >>> needs to be rethought from the ground up.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> shaun everiss wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I understand, gmagames have a system hardware id bassed system, and
>>>> >>>> others have simular id based systems.
>>>> >>>> Just don't go the way of ms with activation punnishing the lagit
>>>> guys
>>>> >>>> thats all.
>>>> >>>> Also if you decide to make your data files non hackable, there are
>>>> >>>> those of us that contribute sound and like to look at our sounds
>>>> we put
>>>> >>>> in places.
>>>> >>>> When will the stfc port be ready in the new c++ code?
>>>> >>>> At 09:53 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi, Shaun.
>>>> >>>>> While it is true there is no way for a developer to absolutely
>>>> secure
>>>> >>>>> a
>>>> >>>>> product from theft, cracks, and piracy there are ways to make it
>>>> >>>>> harder
>>>> >>>>> and minimize the chances.
>>>> >>>>> If you think of it this way you can't completely secure your
>>>> home from
>>>> >>>>> burglers, but you will do whatever is necessary to make it harder.
>>>> >>>>> Before you leave you check the windows to make sure they are
>>>> down and
>>>> >>>>> locked, lock the doors, and if you have one arm the security
>>>> >>>>> panel.
>>>> >>>>> Noone I know of in a high crime neighborhood leaves for work
>>>> with the
>>>> >>>>> back door unlocked, an open window for people to crawl in to, or
>>>> owns
>>>> >>>>> a
>>>> >>>>> security panel and decides to leave it off. They would at least do
>>>> >>>>> those
>>>> >>>>> security measures to make sure their home was safer than it would
>>>> >>>>> otherwise have been.
>>>> >>>>> As for piracy in this comunity sad to say, but I recently found
>>>> >>>>> out
>>>> >>>>> there were an alarming number of accessible gamers pirating GMA's
>>>> >>>>> Shades
>>>> >>>>> of Doom 1.0. Even though there were plenty of honest gamers like
>>>> >>>>> me
>>>> >>>>> who
>>>> >>>>> baught their copies GMA and my company USA Games must protect our
>>>> >>>>> games
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >from those less than honest people as best we can.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> shaun everiss wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Well I suppose you know what you are doing.
>>>> >>>>>> Its however good to note that nothing is secure, as you can't
>>>> secure
>>>> >>>>>> for everything and or anything.
>>>> >>>>>> I would never hack a program though.
>>>> >>>>>> I am not like that.
>>>> >>>>>> At 08:55 p.m. 20/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Matt.
>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. I only wish I had taken more time to research security
>>>> >>>>>>> before I
>>>> >>>>>>> began writing STFC. If I had known how security week the final
>>>> >>>>>>> product
>>>> >>>>>>> would be I would have of course done things much different. As
>>>> >>>>>>> it
>>>> >>>>>>> stands
>>>> >>>>>>> I can not release the game as is, as any reasonably compatent
>>>> hacker
>>>> >>>>>>> could crack the game in a matter of minutes which is not
>>>> exceptable.
>>>> >>>>>>> However, on the bright side of this I am finding out some good
>>>> >>>>>>> alternatives to doing things and if I choose that route USA
>>>> >>>>>>> Games
>>>> >>>>>>> not
>>>> >>>>>>> only will be more secure, but there are some extra bonuses
>>>> involved.
>>>> >>>>>>> I am currently strongly thinking of converting all projects to
>>>> C++.
>>>> >>>>>>> Not
>>>> >>>>>>> only would I have a better security for the game there is better
>>>> >>>>>>> documentation for writing game scripting engines, better
>>>> support for
>>>> >>>>>>> SAPI tts engines, etc.... So this might have a bright side to
>>>> >>>>>>> it.
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> matt wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> That is bad news. I must commend you though for being a game
>>>> >>>>>>>> creator who
>>>> >>>>>>>> comes out and says when something is going wrong. I do not mean
>>>> >>>>>>>> anything bad
>>>> >>>>>>>> about anyone else just saying that is a cool thing to say. I
>>>> wish
>>>> >>>>>>>> you the
>>>> >>>>>>>> best of luck in fixing the problem. Later, Matt
>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:25 PM
>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: audyssey: USA Games news.
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> USA Games News
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2/20/2006
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> STFC Release in Doubt
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Greetings gamers,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> We at USA Games have some good and bad news for our fans of
>>>> STFC.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> The
>>>> >>>>>>>>> good news the game is practically complete and is pretty
>>>> reliable.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> The
>>>> >>>>>>>>> bad news is that recently we have discovered some security
>>>> issues
>>>> >>>>>>>>> with
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the product which is of grave concern to me inparticular. As a
>>>> >>>>>>>>> result
>>>> >>>>>>>>> this security issue could set development back for months,
>>>> and at
>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> least a few weeks.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the nature of the issue forces USA Games to
>>>> choose
>>>> >>>>>>>>> between two options. the first option is to pay a quite a
>>>> sum of
>>>> >>>>>>>>> money
>>>> >>>>>>>>> to purchase licenses for pro grade security applications. The
>>>> >>>>>>>>> second
>>>> >>>>>>>>> option USA Games rewrites STFC in a language in which this
>>>> >>>>>>>>> security hole
>>>> >>>>>>>>> is not a factor. As USA Games does not currently have the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> funds
>>>> >>>>>>>>> for the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> former choice it will likely come down to the second choice.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> However,
>>>> >>>>>>>>> after just completing the game I am not in any mood to start
>>>> over
>>>> >>>>>>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>>>>> port the current game to something new.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a result of this security discovery USA Games is haulting
>>>> >>>>>>>>> production
>>>> >>>>>>>>> on all of our titles until a suitable security can be
>>>> devised. It
>>>> >>>>>>>>> is
>>>> >>>>>>>>> possible some projects may have to be rewritten from
>>>> scratch, or
>>>> >>>>>>>>> at the
>>>> >>>>>>>>> very least wait until USA Games has enough funds to complete
>>>> them
>>>> >>>>>>>>> using
>>>> >>>>>>>>> pro grade security software.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> I hope that in the future USA Games will be able to bring some
>>>> >>>>>>>>> truly
>>>> >>>>>>>>> awesome titles to you all, but for the time being we will be
>>>> >>>>>>>>> returning
>>>> >>>>>>>>> to research and experiment. Once we have something we are sure
>>>> >>>>>>>>> will work
>>>> >>>>>>>>> for us we will continue production of our titles.
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, and happy gaming.
>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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