El 7 de julio de 2022 3:54:59 p. m. GMT-03:00, Andreas Mantke <ma...@gmx.de>
escribió:
>Hi Paolo, all,
>
>although I have not too much spare time for a research I try to answer
>your questions.
>
>
>Am 06.07.22 um 22:46 schrieb Paolo Vecchi:
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> On 06/07/2022 20:08, Andreas Mantke wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Am 04.07.22 um 03:11 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
>>>> Dear community,
>>>>
>>>> the following vote happened after our Monday board call, on request as
>>>> a private email vote:
>>>>
>>>>> The board sees positive & constructive news around renewed
>>>>> developer interest in LibreOffice Online. To further encourage
>>>>> initiatives to collaborate on a single, TDF-hosted repository, the
>>>>> board resolves to postpone formally atticizing Online for three
>>>>> more months. Unless the de-atticization requirements [1] (3
>>>>> different developers contributing non-trivially) are fulfilled by
>>>>> then, and/or if necessary binding corporate commitments are not
>>>>> made by 2022-10-01, Online will be automatically moved to the
>>>>> attic.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Attic#Deatticization_requirements
>>>>>
>>> it is very interesting to read this criteria and compare it with the git
>>> log of COOL. It seemed even this Github repo (project) didn't attract
>>> the number of volunteers, which are requested in the decision proposal.
>>
>> It's odd you say that as IIRC Mr Meeks said that since they move the
>> project to Microsoft GitHub they had more contributors.
>>
>> Are you by any chance able to substantiate your statement?
>
>I made a short research on the commits of about the last four month (the
>board decision has also only a three month period in mind).
>
>So lets have a look on the commits of the last four month of the fork
>(without the localization work, copied from Weblate):
>
>* March 2022:
>
>- 4 volunteers, one of them was already for long time active in the
>LibreOffice design team
>- work done: two lines in a readme, some lines of JS, CSS and icons
>
>
>* April 2022:
>
>- 4 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member,
>another one is a current member of the board with an JS one liner
>- work done: unify ui naming menubar js file, docker image build script,
>CSS and the one line in a JS file
>
>
>* May 2022:
>
>- 2 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member
>- work done: CSS
>
>
>* June 2022:
>
>- 2 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member
>- work done: CSS and an icon
>
>
>Noticeable: except the long time LibreOffice design contributor the
>volunteers committed only a very few patches and were only in one month
>active (without one of them, who submitted another patch in a second
>month, a further icon).
>
>
>>
>>> It seemed there is a big interest to set high barriers in that area and
>>> to block initiative.
>>
>> Even the number of voters in favour of that decision are fewer than
>> those required to pass the barrier ;-)
>Yep.
>>
>> As stated in my answer to the "decision", it just needs to be re-run
>> with a text that would allow the community a chance to do something.
>>
>> Are you anyway continuing to prepare a version of LOOL that could be
>> presented a candidate to start creating a community around it?
>>
>I'm working on that too, but that need some more time. I'm happy, if
>someone wants to join me and create e.g. a docker build from the source.
>
>
>>>
>>> And what I've learned within the communication during the last week(s).
>>> There is no open communication and part of the game is to lead you by
>>> the nose.
>>
>> Could you elaborate on that?
>>
>> I'm not sure I fully grasp the meaning of the above sentences.
>
>The last part of this 'communication strategy' reached me in private on
>July, 3rd at 7.29pm, when I was told that I should contribute objective
>reason / points to the debate around LOOL and the decision about its
>atticization for LibreOffice Online. And just some hours later on July,
>4th, 3.11am the results of the decision were published on this list.
>I had also the impression that I'm in a extra supervision here (and with
>private emails).
>
>>
>>> And as we are saying in Germany: Der Fisch stinkt vom Kopfe her.
>>
>> That's the same saying we use in Italy but it's not clear what you
>> mean with it or to what/whom you are referring to.
>>
>Hope the above helped a bit.
>
>Regards,
>Andreas
The long arm of the supervisor reaches several of us who dared to support the
proposal to reopen the repo. In my case, trying to point out what can be said
and what cannot.
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