Hi Andreas, On 07/07/2022 20:54, Andreas Mantke wrote:
It's odd you say that as IIRC Mr Meeks said that since they move the project to Microsoft GitHub they had more contributors. Are you by any chance able to substantiate your statement?I made a short research on the commits of about the last four month (the board decision has also only a three month period in mind). So lets have a look on the commits of the last four month of the fork (without the localization work, copied from Weblate): * March 2022: - 4 volunteers, one of them was already for long time active in the LibreOffice design team - work done: two lines in a readme, some lines of JS, CSS and icons * April 2022: - 4 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member, another one is a current member of the board with an JS one liner - work done: unify ui naming menubar js file, docker image build script, CSS and the one line in a JS file * May 2022: - 2 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member - work done: CSS * June 2022: - 2 volunteers, one of them is the long time active design team member - work done: CSS and an icon
That doesn't seem like much to me.If that would be the level necessary to avoid to archiving LOOL then it would be very easy.
Noticeable: except the long time LibreOffice design contributor the volunteers committed only a very few patches and were only in one month active (without one of them, who submitted another patch in a second month, a further icon).
I guess we could set this a baseline metrics for keeping LOOL repository open.
It seemed there is a big interest to set high barriers in that area and to block initiative.
The condition applied are IMHO unfair as it sends out a message that could discourage many to even trying.
The fact that the promoters of the vote in the ESC and the board didn't even sent out a notification about what was about to happen surely doesn't sends out the message that they wanted supporter of LOOL to have a fair chance of reviving the project.
Even the number of voters in favour of that decision are fewer than those required to pass the barrier ;-)Yep.As stated in my answer to the "decision", it just needs to be re-run with a text that would allow the community a chance to do something. Are you anyway continuing to prepare a version of LOOL that could be presented a candidate to start creating a community around it?I'm working on that too, but that need some more time. I'm happy, if someone wants to join me and create e.g. a docker build from the source.
Do you need technical help, computing resources, both?I wouldn't know from where to start in building it from source (sorry can't do everything) but maybe some community members with more experience than me could help out?
Happy to lend you some resources on my infrastructure if that's what you need.
And what I've learned within the communication during the last week(s). There is no open communication and part of the game is to lead you by the nose.Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I fully grasp the meaning of the above sentences.The last part of this 'communication strategy' reached me in private on July, 3rd at 7.29pm, when I was told that I should contribute objective reason / points to the debate around LOOL and the decision about its atticization for LibreOffice Online. And just some hours later on July, 4th, 3.11am the results of the decision were published on this list. I had also the impression that I'm in a extra supervision here (and with private emails).
Odd that also Daniel said he received similar emails.Not sure if it's someone being overzealous in applying the 'communication strategy' or a way of sending another type of message.
That's the same saying we use in Italy but it's not clear what youAnd as we are saying in Germany: Der Fisch stinkt vom Kopfe her.mean with it or to what/whom you are referring to.Hope the above helped a bit.
It's very useful information but what would help even more is for the wider community to tell us clearly what they want.
... and naturally to see the result of your effort.
Regards, Andreas
Ciao Paolo
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