couldn't agree more Michael. Just trying to broaden the debate beyond a somewhat 
bi-polar view often heard.
Chris

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Whether it is a feminist mesage or not is debatable but one might look at
how men are portrayed in our media as a starting point. They are put down.
This does extend into the classroom. It would be niaive to think it
doesn't.

I agree there are some media images and representations of men that portray
men in lampooning or derogatory ways. And these may influence boys'
perceptions of themselves and other males. At the same time, first, these
representations sit alongside a whole range of other representations
celebrating men's achievements, associating men with power and authority
and expertise, and so on. Just to give a quick example, *who* is it whose
economic achievements, political decisions, and historical activities we
see routinely reported on and celebrated in the media? It is men's. (Yes,
privileged men's.) (I would have added, sporting successes, but this and
the last Olympics have shifted this, though mainstream media coverage of
sport outside the Olympics is still focused very much on traditionally male
sports.) And second, one can also see in the media a wide range of images
and representations also portraying women in derogatory ways.

So, if we're calling for complexity, let's use more complex accounts of the
media and its content and significance as well.

Best wishes,

michael.

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