Yes, I'm a programer myself also. I'm working on a project, a windows live, yahoo instant messenger for the icon-braille plus. It's not hard at all. If a student can do it, why can't the professionals at HW? Come on now, use your minds, that's what there there for. On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:39:05 -0500, Michael Forzano wrote:
>This message was meant to go to the list, yesterday, but I hit reply and >sent it to the sender instead. Here it is. > >Michael >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Forzano" <[email protected]> >To: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:13 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty > > >>Hi, >>I have to say this. I am a programmer myself, and there are no hardware >>limitations to coding a client for MSN messenger. None at all. The problem >>is, HumanWare likes to decide what's best for us. The sign in invisibly is >>a little creepy, huh? Well, maybe to Hw, but come on, I thought HW >>consisted of blind people. Why don't they come on this list and give us a >>proper explanation? The BN is way behind all the other products, and >>obviously, these other products have bypassed your so-called hardware >>limitations. The only thing I can see as a problem is the OS upgrade, but >>you know what? When the Classic became the MPower was the perfect >>opportunity to use more up-to-date hardware. HTML email, better word >>support, and more popular instant messengers should not be a problem. >>That's what Microsoft's API's are for. Seriously, what have you guys at HW >>been doing? If it were up to me, I wouldn't use a BN anymore, but it's >>what I'm used to, and that's how HW is getting us all. They won't >>disintegrate, since a great many of us won't want to, or can't afford to >>switch notetakers. This is a disgrace, a complete disgrace. >> >>Mike >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> >>To: "BrailleNote mailing list" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:19 PM >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >> >> >>>Jahmal, >>> >>>Saying that Humanware will disintegrate is a little strong, lol, but >>>they do need to revamp their attitude a bit. The world will not adapt >>>to BrailleNote users; BrailleNote users have to adapt to the world. >>>So using KeyChat as an example, the social scene at my university will >>>not migrate to Google Talk simply because it would be easier for the >>>handful of BrailleNote users on campus; rather, by using scripted >>>instant messaging clients such as Windows Live Mobile, that handful of >>>users should be adapting to everyone else. This analogy extends to >>>other parts of blindness notetaking, from compatible document formats >>>to reading PowerPoint presentations to reading rich Emails that people >>>send us, etc.. >>> >>>My philosophy--blindness products needing to adapt to the mainstream >>>world rather than the reverse--is the one that Freedom Scientific and >>>the PAC Mate seem to be following. And while things can get a bit >>>sticky sometimes, particularly in the early days of a device like the >>>PAC Mate, it's a philosophy that I think will work much better than >>>Humanware's, unless some SERIOUS work is done to make BrailleNote more >>>adaptable. >>> >>>At this point in my life I really only use a notetaker for just that, >>>"note taking", maybe light web browsing, and reading, doing most of my >>>other computer-related tasks on a mobile phone or full computer. I >>>therefore have no problem sticking with the BrailleNote for now, which >>>performs these tasks fairly well. But if you want to have the >>>complete power of a mobile device, I sadly have to say that the >>>BrailleNote just might not be there, yet. Humanware, I'm still a >>>fairly loyal BrailleNote user, so listen to me, please! >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>Grant >>> >>>On 3/2/09, Jahmal Lovato <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>It's not windows live and yahoo that will disentagrate, it's HW! >>>>On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:03:53 -0800, Grant Hardy wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hi all, >>>>> >>>>>In today's Tech Talk presentation on KeySoft 8, I emphasized the fact >>>>>that >>>>>while nearly everyone on the University of British Columbia campus with >>>>>me >>>>>carries around laptops and mobile devices with Windows Live Messenger >>>>>and >>>>>Yahoo! Messenger, I know nobody who uses Google Talk, iChat, or any >>>>>other >>>>>open instant messaging service. And with two other notetaking >>>>>products--the >>>>>Braille Sense and the PAC Mate--supporting Windows Live, I asked at what >>>>>stage, if at all, the BrailleNote would follow suit. In an evasive >>>>>response, Dave Wilkinson from Humanware implied that somehow Windows >>>>>Live >>>>>and Yahoo! were going to disintegrate, so it really isn't necessary >>>>>anyway. >>>>>Not true: the one and only reason neither Yahoo! nor Windows Live need >>>>>to >>>>>use an open instant messaging standard is due to the sheer volume of >>>>>users >>>>>who already populate their services. Rather than adapting to this truth >>>>>as >>>>>other competing products have, the BrailleNote from Humanware will >>>>>change >>>>>the way you communicate in realtime...if you can convince everyone you >>>>>know >>>>>to switch instant mesaging clients. >>>>> >>>>>There is also no way to sign in invisibly (also called appearing >>>>>offline) >>>>>in >>>>>KeyChat. This is standard in all other messaging clients that I have >>>>>come >>>>>across, and is a great way to see who's online without getting flooded >>>>>with >>>>>instant messages. Greg Stilson from Humanware discounted this and >>>>>called >>>>>it >>>>>"kinda creepy", so apparently the BrailleNote user base will not see >>>>>this >>>>>function, either. >>>>> >>>>>Normally I don't rant, but I am upset with the attitude of these >>>>>Humanware >>>>>representatives: instead of politely stating that these essential >>>>>features >>>>>are not yet present in KeyChat, they instead discounted their >>>>>importance. >>>>> >>>>>So to summarize: communicate in real time with the 1 % of your friends >>>>>that >>>>>KeyChat will support, and don't expect to be able to sign in invisibly, >>>>>cuz >>>>>that's just kinda creepy! >>>>> >>>>>Grant >>>>>___ >>>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>copy to the list as well. >>>>> >>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>[email protected] >>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>> >>> >>>___ >>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>copy to the list as well. >>> >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[email protected] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> >> > > >___ >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >copy to the list as well. > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[email protected] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
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