So you're saying XMTP as in SMTP? -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: [email protected] MSN: [email protected] Skype: chrishallsworth7266 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]> To: "Chris Hallsworth" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty
Just to clarify, it is "xmpp", not "xntp". Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Chris Hallsworth <[email protected] >To: "Andrew Head" <[email protected]>,"Alex Hall" <[email protected]>,"Paul Tandy" <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>,<[email protected] >,<[email protected] >Date sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:51:59 -0000 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >From what I gather from this list, no, because Humanware decided to use >XNTP, an open source standard that only Googlemail and iChat use. >-- >Chris Hallsworth >e-mail: [email protected] >MSN: [email protected] >Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Head" <[email protected] >To: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]>; "Paul Tandy" <[email protected]>; ><[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; ><[email protected] >Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:45 AM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >I listened to the presentation earlier today and found it interesting. I >just wanted to clarify, msn wasn't really mentioned or if it was I missed >it. Can people who use msn or have a hotmail address access keyChat? >from Andrew >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] >To: "Paul Tandy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; ><[email protected]>; <[email protected] >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >> What you are all forgetting is that laptops and netbooks do not have >> Braille displays or blind-friendly interfaces. If you like Windows then >> go for it, but I like keysoft more, especially with the display. I know >> that I will never run into an app not being supported, my display not >> connecting right, needing to ask a sighted person what the screen says >> when JAWS stops working for some reason... Braille notetakers definitely >> beat mainstream mobile devices in these areas, which is why I think they >> will always have their own nitch in the tech market. >> Have a great day, >> Alex >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Paul Tandy <[email protected] >>>To: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <[email protected]>, >> [email protected],[email protected] >>>Date sent: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:17:19 -0900 >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>No, you can easily just buy a laptop that isn't even half as much >>>as a Braillenote. >>>Paul >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <[email protected] >>>>To: "Grant Hardy" >>><[email protected]>,<[email protected] >>>>Date sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:42:38 -0500 >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>Trant, >>>>Remember that Dave mentioned that AOL was in talks with Google >>>for about a >>>>year, and that they might be migrating to this new Protocole in >>>yet another >>>>year--by end of 2009. That's one year of talking and another of >>>possibly >>>>moving over. >>>>Want to play the waiting game? >>>>Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Then, I suggest you look at >>>a netbook >>>>you like for less than $500, in time to think and save up for a >>>Braille >>>>Note, Stale Toat. >>>>Antonio Guimaraes >>>>If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of >>>pickup >>>>trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite >>>number of >>>>highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great >>>literary >>>>works in Braille. >>>>Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to >>>you. >>>>http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 >>>>Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected] >>>>To: <[email protected] >>>>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:08 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>> You're correct, and I apologize - particularly as I paraphrased >>>your >>>>> comment >>>>> along with your name, I should have done so less sloppily, and >>>did indee >>>>> dmisrepresent what you had said. My apologies. >>>>> What I meant (correctly, I think) is that HW is implying that >>>closed >>>>> instant >>>>> messaging protocols will decrease in popularity, and while they >>>may do so >>>>> some day, I feel certain that Windows Live and Yahoo!'s >>>protocols will go >>>>> strong for many months to come. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Grant >>>>> Grant >>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM, dave wilkinson >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Dear Grant, >>>>>> In your post to the BrailleNote listsereve, you misrepresented >>>what I >>>>>> said. I said that more and more chat clients were using XMPP, >>>and as >>>>>> proof of that Greg Stillson cited AOL's discussions with Google. >>>The >>>>>> point wasn't that chat services are going away, it is that they >>>are >>>>>> starting to use more open platforms. >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> Dave Wilkinson >>>>>> Western Region Blindness Product Specialist >>>>>> 800-722-3393, ext. 241 >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> www.humanware.com >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>Grant Hardy >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:04 PM >>>>>> To: BrailleNote mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> In today's Tech Talk presentation on KeySoft 8, I emphasized the >>>fact >>>>>> that while nearly everyone on the University of British Columbia >>>campus >>>>>> with me carries around laptops and mobile devices with Windows >>>Live >>>>>> Messenger and Yahoo! Messenger, I know nobody who uses Google >>>Talk, >>>>>> iChat, or any other open instant messaging service. And with >>>two other >>>>>> notetaking products--the Braille Sense and the PAC >>>Mate--supporting >>>>>> Windows Live, I asked at what stage, if at all, the BrailleNote >>>would >>>>>> follow suit. In an evasive response, Dave Wilkinson from >>>Humanware >>>>>> implied that somehow Windows Live and Yahoo! were going to >>>disintegrate, >>>>>> so it really isn't necessary anyway. >>>>>> Not true: the one and only reason neither Yahoo! nor Windows >>>Live need >>>>>> to use an open instant messaging standard is due to the sheer >>>volume of >>>>>> users who already populate their services. Rather than adapting >>>to this >>>>>> truth as other competing products have, the BrailleNote from >>>Humanware >>>>>> will change the way you communicate in realtime...if you can >>>convince >>>>>> everyone you know to switch instant mesaging clients. >>>>>> There is also no way to sign in invisibly (also called appearing >>>>>> offline) in KeyChat. This is standard in all other messaging >>>clients >>>>>> that I have come across, and is a great way to see who's online >>>without >>>>>> getting flooded with instant messages. Greg Stilson from >>>Humanware >>>>>> discounted this and called it "kinda creepy", so apparently the >>>>>> BrailleNote user base will not see this function, either. >>>>>> Normally I don't rant, but I am upset with the attitude of these >>>>>> Humanware >>>>>> representatives: instead of politely stating that these >>>essential >>>>>> features are not yet present in KeyChat, they instead discounted >>>their >>>>>> importance. >>>>>> So to summarize: communicate in real time with the 1 % of your >>>friends >>>>>> that KeyChat will support, and don't expect to be able to sign >>>in >>>>>> invisibly, cuz that's just kinda creepy! >>>>>> Grant >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to >>>the >>>>>> list as well. >>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>> ___ >>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>> copy to the list as well. >>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>___ >>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>copy to the list as well. >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[email protected] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>___ >>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>copy to the list as well. >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>[email protected] >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> ___ >> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >> copy to the list as well. >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> [email protected] >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >copy to the list as well. >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >[email protected] >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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