Ar, ok, thanks for that. So it's XMPP. Sorry about this; I do have a hearing impairment and one of the defecits are failure to hear letters properly.
-- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: [email protected] MSN: [email protected] Skype: chrishallsworth7266 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]> To: "Chris Hallsworth" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty No, xmpp as in (phonetically): x-ray mike papa papa HTH. Have a great day, Alex > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Chris Hallsworth <[email protected] >To: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]>,"Chris Hallsworth" <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>,<paul96ca [email protected]>,<[email protected]>,<[email protected]>,<braill [email protected] >Date sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:13:51 -0000 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >So you're saying XMTP as in SMTP? >-- >Chris Hallsworth >e-mail: [email protected] >MSN: [email protected] >Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] >To: "Chris Hallsworth" <[email protected]>; ><[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; ><[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; ><[email protected] >Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:55 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >Just to clarify, it is "xmpp", not "xntp". >Have a great day, >Alex >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Chris Hallsworth <[email protected] >>To: "Andrew Head" <[email protected]>,"Alex Hall" ><[email protected]>,"Paul Tandy" ><[email protected]>,<[email protected]>,<[email protected] >>,<[email protected] >>Date sent: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 07:51:59 -0000 >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>From what I gather from this list, no, because Humanware decided >to use >>XNTP, an open source standard that only Googlemail and iChat use. >>-- >>Chris Hallsworth >>e-mail: [email protected] >>MSN: [email protected] >>Skype: chrishallsworth7266 >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Andrew Head" <[email protected] >>To: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]>; "Paul Tandy" ><[email protected]>; >><[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; >><[email protected] >>Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:45 AM >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>I listened to the presentation earlier today and found it >interesting. I >>just wanted to clarify, msn wasn't really mentioned or if it was >I missed >>it. Can people who use msn or have a hotmail address >access keyChat? >>from Andrew >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected] >>To: "Paul Tandy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; >><[email protected]>; <[email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:55 PM >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>> What you are all forgetting is that laptops and netbooks do not >have >>> Braille displays or blind-friendly interfaces. If you like >Windows then >>> go for it, but I like keysoft more, especially with the display. >I know >>> that I will never run into an app not being supported, my >display not >>> connecting right, needing to ask a sighted person what the >screen says >>> when JAWS stops working for some reason... Braille notetakers >definitely >>> beat mainstream mobile devices in these areas, which is why I >think they >>> will always have their own nitch in the tech market. >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Paul Tandy <[email protected] >>>>To: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <[email protected]>, >>> [email protected],[email protected] >>>>Date sent: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:17:19 -0900 >>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>No, you can easily just buy a laptop that isn't even half as much >>>>as a Braillenote. >>>>Paul >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <[email protected] >>>>>To: "Grant Hardy" >>>><[email protected]>,<[email protected] >>>>>Date sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 22:42:38 -0500 >>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>>Trant, >>>>>Remember that Dave mentioned that AOL was in talks with Google >>>>for about a >>>>>year, and that they might be migrating to this new Protocole in >>>>yet another >>>>>year--by end of 2009. That's one year of talking and another of >>>>possibly >>>>>moving over. >>>>>Want to play the waiting game? >>>>>Are you smarter than a fifth grader? Then, I suggest you look at >>>>a netbook >>>>>you like for less than $500, in time to think and save up for a >>>>Braille >>>>>Note, Stale Toat. >>>>>Antonio Guimaraes >>>>>If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of >>>>pickup >>>>>trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite >>>>number of >>>>>highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great >>>>literary >>>>>works in Braille. >>>>>Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to >>>>you. >>>>>http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 >>>>>Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected] >>>>>To: <[email protected] >>>>>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:08 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>>> You're correct, and I apologize - particularly as I paraphrased >>>>your >>>>>> comment >>>>>> along with your name, I should have done so less sloppily, and >>>>did indee >>>>>> dmisrepresent what you had said. My apologies. >>>>>> What I meant (correctly, I think) is that HW is implying that >>>>closed >>>>>> instant >>>>>> messaging protocols will decrease in popularity, and while they >>>>may do so >>>>>> some day, I feel certain that Windows Live and Yahoo!'s >>>>protocols will go >>>>>> strong for many months to come. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Grant >>>>>> Grant >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:34 PM, dave wilkinson >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> Dear Grant, >>>>>>> In your post to the BrailleNote listsereve, you misrepresented >>>>what I >>>>>>> said. I said that more and more chat clients were using XMPP, >>>>and as >>>>>>> proof of that Greg Stillson cited AOL's discussions with Google. >>>>The >>>>>>> point wasn't that chat services are going away, it is that they >>>>are >>>>>>> starting to use more open platforms. >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> Dave Wilkinson >>>>>>> Western Region Blindness Product Specialist >>>>>>> 800-722-3393, ext. 241 >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> www.humanware.com >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>Grant Hardy >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:04 PM >>>>>>> To: BrailleNote mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [Braillenote] KeyChat Isn't Looking Too Pretty >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> In today's Tech Talk presentation on KeySoft 8, I emphasized the >>>>fact >>>>>>> that while nearly everyone on the University of British Columbia >>>>campus >>>>>>> with me carries around laptops and mobile devices with Windows >>>>Live >>>>>>> Messenger and Yahoo! Messenger, I know nobody who uses Google >>>>Talk, >>>>>>> iChat, or any other open instant messaging service. And with >>>>two other >>>>>>> notetaking products--the Braille Sense and the PAC >>>>Mate--supporting >>>>>>> Windows Live, I asked at what stage, if at all, the BrailleNote >>>>would >>>>>>> follow suit. In an evasive response, Dave Wilkinson from >>>>Humanware >>>>>>> implied that somehow Windows Live and Yahoo! were going to >>>>disintegrate, >>>>>>> so it really isn't necessary anyway. >>>>>>> Not true: the one and only reason neither Yahoo! nor Windows >>>>Live need >>>>>>> to use an open instant messaging standard is due to the sheer >>>>volume of >>>>>>> users who already populate their services. Rather than adapting >>>>to this >>>>>>> truth as other competing products have, the BrailleNote from >>>>Humanware >>>>>>> will change the way you communicate in realtime...if you can >>>>convince >>>>>>> everyone you know to switch instant mesaging clients. >>>>>>> There is also no way to sign in invisibly (also called appearing >>>>>>> offline) in KeyChat. This is standard in all other messaging >>>>clients >>>>>>> that I have come across, and is a great way to see who's online >>>>without >>>>>>> getting flooded with instant messages. Greg Stilson from >>>>Humanware >>>>>>> discounted this and called it "kinda creepy", so apparently the >>>>>>> BrailleNote user base will not see this function, either. >>>>>>> Normally I don't rant, but I am upset with the attitude of these >>>>>>> Humanware >>>>>>> representatives: instead of politely stating that these >>>>essential >>>>>>> features are not yet present in KeyChat, they instead discounted >>>>their >>>>>>> importance. >>>>>>> So to summarize: communicate in real time with the 1 % of your >>>>friends >>>>>>> that KeyChat will support, and don't expect to be able to sign >>>>in >>>>>>> invisibly, cuz that's just kinda creepy! >>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to >>>>the >>>>>>> list as well. >>>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>> copy to the list as well. >>>>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>>___ >>>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>>copy to the list as well. >>>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>>[email protected] >>>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>>___ >>>>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>>>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>>>copy to the list as well. >>>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>>[email protected] >>>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>> ___ >>> Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>> If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>> copy to the list as well. >>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>> [email protected] >>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>___ >>Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >>If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >>copy to the list as well. >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>[email protected] >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. 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