Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Dan Minette wrote: > > > >> Why was he suspended in the first place? AFAIK, > >> it was for some reason that *did* have a precedent > >> before, from other people. > > > > Who else has repeatedly posted offline email in its entireity? > > > Jeroen. > > And wtf does the list have to worry about something that's > done offlist?
Well, if he'd kept the off-list discussion off-list, it probably wouldn't have gotten to the point where anyone would even *consider* moderation in the first place. > > Who else has repeatedly reacted to someone failing to > > respond to email by personally insulting said person? > > > Jeroen. > > So, it's in the list rules that offending someone else > is forbidden? No, insulting someone repeatedly is frowned upon. The "repeated" is crucial to the whole thing. If someone wants to get their panties in a wad because of some of the stuff I posted about NFP bothers them, that's their problem, but if I repeatedly call someone "stupid" because I don't agree with their position, then I deserve some sort of "time-out" until I can show a little more respect for people I disagree with. > > Who else has repeatedly called for the permanant ouster > > of another list member because they either didn't > > respond to posts or responded offlist? > > > Jeroen. > > So, the rule is: if X requests that Y should be banned, > then X must be banned? No, but harping on the subject for a number of weeks and singling out a particular individual for this treatment is pretty rude, especially when a number of people have requested it not be done any more. > > And, that was just the short period leading up to > > moderation. If you really want to make a case for > > person X behaving no differently than > > persons A-W, yet being singled out, then I think you > > really have an uphill battle. > > > Jeroen's behavious was no different than any other > listmember, except for magnitude or intensity. > If there's no law against drinking alchool, then > there's no law against getting drunk There's no law against drinking alcohol, but there are laws regarding what you may and may not do beyond a certain point of intoxication. If you want to get so drunk you fall down, that's fine, just don't get behind the wheel of a car shortly before passing out from the alcohol. If A post an insult to B maybe twice a year, that can be tolerated. A posting an insult to B five times a day and making more aggressive demands than mere insult will not be tolerated here. And if it had *only* been the insulting, I would have protested the original request at moderation. It was the more aggressive behavior that lost Jeroen a potential ally among the admins. (And if it had only been the insults, I bet John would not have made as strong a case to the admins.) Julia _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l