----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
> > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States > > > > > > > > > > > The molehill is not 100% fatal. Many people are shot each year and > > > survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And many more don't. Your chances of surviving are extremely greater if > > > you > > > > don't get shot at all. > > > > > > > > > > Sure, and you don't die in traffic accidents if you don't hit others > > cars. > > > But more people are killed by cars every year than by firearms. > > > > And, many more people lose money in traffic accidents than from crimes > > every year. So, maybe we worry to much about crime in general. > > The real question is the relative merit of stopping crimes by arming > > oneself with a gun in the nightstand vs. the demerits of that action. > > > > Indeed, if you talk about assaults, both physical and sexual, one is much > > much more likely to be assaulted by a family member or a friend of the > > family than by a stranger. Incest is far far more prevalent than sexual > > assaults by strangers assaulting a woman on the street; and is > > overwhelmingly more likely than someone breaking into a house to rape a > > woman. > > > > I realize that folks talk about these folks being monsters and needing to > > seriously punish them. But, if the numbers used by people working with > > victims and survivors are right, roughly 1 in 20 men (maybe 1 in 25) are > > pedophiles. > > I would have to strongly disagree with this. This is sexist feminist crap! Right, and my wife wasn't really a victim of sexual assault, its just that she's a feminist liar. Both women and men have been surveyed and about 1 in 4 women have been the victim of a sexual assult, and about 1 in 7 men. Now, this is slightly old data, and I wouldn't be shocked if its down to 1 in 5 women or 1 in 10 men. But a casual statistical survey of my friends indicates that the official numbers look close. If there is anything sexist, it is the denial of the frequency with which women become perps. When Teri was working groups for Parents Annomous, she was the only one who asked if the mother did anything. That's not all children, so not all count as pedophile. > Even if you run off and get stats for this you will have to show what the > definition is. The definition is pretty plain, men who are sexually attracted to children. I can get the exact definition, but I know that attraction to youth 13 and over doesn't count as pedophile. > Do 1 in 20 hetero males find 17 year old females attractive? I would argue > the number is much higher than just 1 in 20. Doesn't count. > What about 18 year old males who find 14 year old females attractive? Nope, its grown men and children. > If we are talking about post pubecent males who find pre-pubesent females > attractive, I seriously doubt the numbers would be high enough to make enven > a percentage. Well, from my perspective, you won't accept anything that doesn't fit your presuppositions. > If we further restrict it to only those who act on it then we would have even > lower numbers. But, the reality is that a significant fraction of men and women endure the shame of being the victim of sexual abuse. You'll be surprised at how many people are willing to talk about it only when it is made safe for them. > It is certain that pedifiles exist and they certainly have serious problems > that society needs to find a solution for. But to sugest that so many men are > like that is sexist IMO. Why? With your attitude, I'd be shocked if people would be likely to admit that they were victims to you. No hard feelings, but that type of denial is a good portion of why victims of sexual assault tend to keep their mouths shut. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
