Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
>> The margin of the refinery drop too low, and
>> Capitalists
>> won't invest in things that don't have an
>> _immediate_ high return.
> 
> You're kidding, right?
>
By default, yes, but not this time.

> Just to pick an example from
> my old industry, a pharmaceutical company will spend
> on average ~$800MM to develop a drug, and that
> development process (from molecule to market) averages
> ~10 years.  This is not anyone's definition of an
> immediate high return.  This is one of those myths
> that people want to believe, I think.
>
Ok, we dissent about the definition of "immediate", that
for oil companies is something like 20 years :-)

The problem is that refineries had a huge margin before
the 1974 oil crisis, and then it dropped to minimum levels.

Capitalist Evil Logic dictates that with such low margin
it´s not worth building a new refinery.
 
>> But it's not exactly true [*] that no new refinery
>> was build,
>> because those that exist are upgraded regularly to
>> 2x, 4x, etc their initial capacity.
> 
> This is absolutely true, and something I said a few
> minutes ago in a talk with my Mom on this same topic. 
> It is also true, though, that despite these
> improvements in capacity, US refining capacity was
> running flat-out even before Katrina, and this is not
> a good thing and something that really needed to be
> alleviated with some new construction.
> 
Yes, but who will invest, given the uncertainties of
the oil prices? PDVSA? :-)

Alberto Monteiro

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