> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Julia Thompson > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 11:10 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: RE: Car free London? > > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: > > > At 10:06 PM Sunday 9/16/2007, Dan Minettte wrote: > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > >>> Behalf Of Martin Lewis > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 4:36 AM > >>> To: Killer Bs Discussion > >>> Subject: Re: Car free London? > >> > >>> > >>> The conversation went like this: > >>> > >>> Gary makes a massive strawman about forcing people to walk. > >> > >> Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk. There > could > >> be mass transit on each and every street, I suppose. It's just that > any > >> realistic implementation of the proposal would force people who are not > >> capable of walking moderately long distances to do so. > >> > >> I think that the main difference between you and others is that you > envision > >> a practical way to have no cars in London without making people walk > and > >> others, including me, don't. > > > > > > > > If this is the case, I for one would be interested in hearing what that > > way is, because like Dan I haven't been able to think of a way to do > > that. > > > > > > -- Ronn! :) > > I will grant this -- my friend who is mobility-impaired to the point of > qualifying for a handicap space hangtag, but usually doesn't require a > wheelchair, was able to get around Chicago without anything beyond the > public transit system.
I've lived in the Chicago area for about 4 months years ago and have a question. What do you mean by "get around Chicago." Is it going to the well traveled areas, or being able to make it from, say, a house in Aurora to one in Geneva in only 20 minutes or so. Or even getting from one to the other without walking a half mile to a bus stop, taking a bus to a central location and then a connecting bus, and spending 1.5 hours on the trip. The proposal specifically stated it wasn't just for central London. Thus, the whole 175 square miles needs to be considered carless. Busses are possible, but one ether has to sit through 50 stops to get from A to B, or use a complex system of transfers. >It may be that those of us living in areas that > are less densely populated and without terribly good public transit > systems really can't grok how good the existing infrastructure in London > is. Having never been to London myself (having never been in England, in > fact), I couldn't say one way or another. I've been in London a few times (say 20) both in inner London and elsewhere. It seems to me that, if one can walk 4-6 blocks, inner London can be done efficiently via the Tube. But, we had to take cars for other parts of London because using public transportation would just take forever....and would require a good walk. If this is non-representative, I'd be curious to see what I missed. Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
