Surley a solution to the difference in times and organisational problems for TDs would be to split the two tours to different venues, which is what I half expect to be happening this year and am supprised it hasen't happened already. This way womens and Tour A could be at one venue (or even two) and Tour B could be at another.

  This way tournaments could be more tailored to the participants.  ie
  Tour A could have less enthusis on parties and more on providing good
  food and accom for the old men, while Tour B could be more about
  parties to attract the beginners and students into Ultimate and could
  also have longer games like A tour.  (I know this is a generalisation
  of Tour A and B but probably true).

  This also makes it easier to schedule full games with decent gaps for
  all three competitions, and it means that venues don't have to be
  limited to ones that can hold 30+ pitches, so more people from
  different areas can bid for tournaments.
Stu
Steal #02

  >From: Darroch Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: George Leach
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, britdisc@near.me.uk >Subject: Re: [BD] Tour
  2 view point of issues raised by Jon Palmer >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005
  16:13:50 +0100 (BST) > >Hi George, > >I agree that smaller teams do
  find it difficult to commit >early, but I think that Hannah's point
  was that the bigger >teams could and should follow Leed's example and
  pay their >club earlier, allowing for early payment at tournaments. >
  >Tour 1 in Bristol shows that one way to get more pitch time
  >available is to start earlier. Our team managed to survive >an early
  Sunday start and win their 8am game. I hope that >there are other
  teams currently in the B Tour that would >also choose to get up early
  if it meant better length >games. > >There have been a few suggestion
  of B Tour teams being >ripped off (or at least getting fewer minutes
  for their >entry fee). While it might please some B Tour teams to get
  >better value for money, I don't want a discount for less >playing
  time. Instead I'd would prefer to get longer games >that would give us
  useful insight into the effort and >commitment required to survive in
  the A Tour. > >Possum >UTB #3 > >p.s. The spelling, grammar and views
  in this email are >solely my own and don't neccessarily reflect those
  of my >team mates. > > > I don't see how this will solve the problem
  hannah. This > > may be all well and > > good for the larger teams. It
  will increase, slightly, > > the number of teams > > signing up early
  but there will always be small clubs who > > want to enter Tour > >
  who cannot commit early. The problem arises due to the > > open entry
  to Tour. > > As I can't see this being abolished there will always be
  > > the danger of > > over-subscription for an event which will cause
  problems > > with pitch time. > > I do think that its unacceptable
  that Tour A gets so much > > more pitch time > > than anyone else for
  the same price. Someone questioned > > earlier why there > > isn't a
  standard game length in the UK. The question > > wasn't answered but >
  > it'd be interesting to hear peoples points of view on it. > >Send
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