I am all for paying the fee so long as the greater Ultimate community will benefit from it. The fees have gone up year after year but there has been no significant improvement in facilities and venues etc. Open Nationals 2006 being a prime example. Does anyone know how much of the profits from official tournaments are ploughed back into ultimate? My apologies if you misunderstood my intentions. Zulu 88 BAF
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:37:39 +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [BD] Fw: Tour 0 - The Price> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm sorry but you are well out of > touch of reality. Go wild and do all> these things and more yourself. What? > You want someone else to do it> for you? Well pay for it then.> > I'm all for > constructive comments on bettering ultimate, tournaments,> etc. I can live > without moaners that want the moon on a stick and to> pay less for it and > someone else to do it for them...> > Jon> > > Luke Gomm wrote:> > Well put! > I'd also like to make a suggestion of promoting the sport in schools etc, > more investment for coaching workshops . How about an extra "Ultimatum" > magazine during the year. How about free physio at the venue too. Price rises > above inflation is GREED!> > > > Most of all I'd like to see some investment > into a proper promotional video that can be put on a DVD and sent out to > schools etc that is FREE! and can be copied a distributed by anyone. I've not > seen anything available and if there is a DVD out there then it has been > poorly promoted. I'm sure the "Voice of Ultimate" Mr Tom Styles would be keen > to do this if the funding were available.> > > > I know that every time I go > to my village green for chuck about I am swamped by scores of kids ranging > from 4 to 13 yrs that are so enthusiastic and amazed and beg me to come to > their school. Some of them even come knocking on my door asking when next I'm > going go to the village green. Now if that is not an incentive to promote the > sport . . . Zulu 88 BAF> > > > > > > >> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:53:06 > +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BD] Fw: Tour 0 - The Price> > Um...£180?> > The trend is > continuing to get a bit out of control. The last> official outdoor event of > 2006 was Nationals which set a precedent of> charging a rather large £180 > team fee.> > Now sure enough, first event of 2007 and we see £180 a team > opening> the door for all other TDs to charge the same or more. These are> > tournaments that most teams have to attend if they want to play the> tour > (which is most). Probably up to 40-50 teams will go to this.> > First some > history...> Tour 1 2002 (Clifton) - £145> Tour 1 2003 (Clifton) - £145> > Nationals 2003 (in London!) - £150> Tour 1 2004 (Clifton) - £150> Tour 1 2005 > (Clifton) - £150> Mixed Tour 1 2005 (Clifton) - £150> Nationals 2006 - £180> > Tour 0 (Clifton) - £180> Each of these years Clifton and/or Nationals have > been the most> expensive events.> > How about some math> ..> Being > pessimistic assuming only 40 teams...£180 * 40 = £7200> > For this total > price the players get pitches, camping (nationals> didn't even have this > without paying extra last year), party and> prizes. Food is extra.> > The > venue will charge a set fee for the lined pitches and the camping> spaces if > provided. The schedule will be written by the DoC. Any> estimates? Highfields > in Nottingham is around £1500...> > I'm just looking at the amount of work > required and seeing the pricing> going up and up. It was asked at the UKUA > conference for more> visibility (again) on tournament bids and the response > was something> to the tune of..."it was felt that TD's should not be forced > to> disclose their financial information (whether personal or for a club)> to > the ultimate community". It's an interesting but not unexpected> comment > given the two most potentially profited from events last year> were run by > UKUA committee members.> > So if a venue costs £3000. Maybe London or someth> > ing. A TD might pay> £200 on prizes. So there's £4000 left over. If you've > got a good> job...a real good job you would work full-time for two full > months> (aprox 320 hours) to make this kind of money.> > What would be great > is considering this is a EUC GB team year is to> see the money from UKUA Tour > events go towards helping these teams (or> at least the Juniors) practice and > attend the European event in> Southampton and World event next year in > Vancouver (which is going to> cost the attendees a bundle). Better than going > into the pockets of a> few people lucky enough to have a hold on a good > venue.> > In addition/closing...at the conference that it was suggested we> > devise a plan to keep tournament prices down but they could not think> of an > effective one, bar the> teams paying the ukua and the ukua paying for the > pitches, which might> raise some tax issues.> > If the trend continues, given > the now 9 UKUA events a year with a> minimum profit of around £4000 we're > talking £3> 6000 of potential> earning that could go into developing the > sport, funding national> squads, juniors programs that instead just > disappears at the moment.> > Bring back the days of Kev Lowe's £80 charity > tournament which I'd> have happily paid £180 for.> > Steve> > > > > > > On > 14/02/07, Adam Batchelor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > TOUR ONE BRISTOL> > > Ultimate Tournament> > 30th of March and the 1st of April> >> > > www.bristoltours.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk> >> > Dear All> >> > You are invited to > Bristol Tour Zero, the official UKU Tour qualifying event, which will be held > at Clifton College Sports Ground, Abbots Leigh, Bristol on the weekend of the > 30th of March and the 1st of April. The deadline for all entrants is 16th of > March> >> > THIS TOURNAMENT SEEDS ALL TEAMS, OTHER THAN THE TOP 4 FROM LAST > YEARS NATIONALS, FOR TOUR1, BOTH A & B TOURS. IE 1ST AT TOUR 0 IS SEEDED 5TH > AT THE A TOUR AND 13TH AT TOUR 0 IS SEEDED 1ST IN THE BTOUR.> >> > ENTRY FEE > - £140 for all stude> nt teams and £180 for all other teams.> >> > A separate > Women's division may be run alongside dependant on the entry levels.> >> > > CAMPING/B&B - On site camping available (free of charge) with 24hr toilet > facilities open to all. Changing rooms with hot showers will be readily > accessible. A list of local B&B / Guest Houses is attached.> >> > The > campsite will be accessible from Friday evening, and the sports ground is > keeping their bar open until around 2300hrs for anyone wishing to have a few > beers before bed.> >> > GRUB/PARTY - A cheap food option of pasta and other > quick stuff is available all day Saturday and Sunday as well as Saturday > evening, followed by a party and a bar with a late licence until 1am.> >> > > DIRECTIONS FOR THE SPORTS GROUND - From North, South, East or West: M5 - exit > at Jct 19. Follow A369 towards Bristol for approximately 4 miles on a windy > road through small villages until you see a narrow turning on the right hand > side signed posted for Clifton Sport> s Ground. (Watch out as this turning > can creep up on you - if you get to the traffic lights, you have gone too > far! - this does not include the pedestrian crossing lights at the George Inn > at Abbots Leigh Village).> >> > CAMPSITE - Instead of turning into the sports > grounds you continue up to the traffic lights and turn right. 350 yards on > the right hand side you will see a gate. This is the entrance to the camping > area. Please pitch your tents in the bottom right hand side of the field.> >> > > Matt & Adam> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >> > Tour Zero> >> > E-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mobile: 07966 > 577 563> > BRISTOL TOURS> > Ultimate Tournament> >> > Please send all entry > forms to> >> > Mathew Edwards> > 7 Sloan Street> > St George> > Bristol> > > BS5 7AD> >> > I ENCLOSE MY CHEQUE FOR £.............> >> > Please insert a > cheque with the following written on the reverse> > Team name, team contact > phone number> and email address> > Make payable to Mathew Edwards. Any > comments you can supply on seeding position would be helpful.> >> > > NAME:...............................> >> > > TEAM:...............................> >> > > ADDRESS:.............................> >> > > ..............................................................................> > > POSTCODE:.............> >> > TEL:.................MOBILE:...........> >> > > E-MAIL ADDRESS: ............................> >> > Team Seeding Details> >> > > _____________________________________> >> > > _____________________________________> >> >> >> >> > > __________________________________________________> > BritDisc mailing list> > > [email protected]> > http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc> > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp> >> > > __________________________________________________> BritDisc mailing list> > [email protected]> http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc> > Staying informed - http://www.ukulti> mate.com/informed.asp> > > _________________________________________________________________> > Get > connected - Use your Hotmail address to sign into Windows Live Messenger now. > > > > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview__________________________________________________> > > BritDisc mailing list> > [email protected]> > > http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc> > Staying informed - > http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp> > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________> BritDisc mailing list> > [email protected]> http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc> > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get the new Windows Live Messenger! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview__________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
