Simon, Thanks for the update, I did get the reminder emails and did read them all, so was fully aware my membership was expiring, but that still doesn't justify not sending out the 2012 issue to people who have paid for it already!! And unlike tennis or other national sporting organisations UKU only produce a yearly edition. Others have monthlies etc.
By the way why then has the UKU website still have a page from 2011 on it headed UKUA news ;-) and yes I'm old and search that way for the site as it gets better google results than UKU as don't want a cheap dial up or to watch a youtube rock dengue fever cannibal courtship CD video ;-0 By the way don't understand the netball/tennis analogy, are you saying Ultimate players shouldn't pay the national organisation to be a member?? and become just a participation sport with little clout on a national funding level or sponsorship attraction as don't understand exactly who and age criteria etc are playing the sport to attract sponsors etc?? As wouldn't it be better for the UKU to follow the LTA's method and have 576,608 members in the future?? Just saying!! Oh and will respond to your points on nationals now as you have requested ;-) Kind regards Simon Barlow 0845 2699147 07971 903006 On 30 Nov 2012, at 15:22, "Si Hill, UK Ultimate" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Simon > > Nice to hear from you. Do let me know if you had any thoughts or comments > about my response to your queries about Nationals when you have a moment. > > Anyway - it sounds like you were unaware of the changes we made to > membership during 2012 although we did make a number of attempts to > advertise the issue. I won't repeat all the arguments here - please take a > look at this link for the details. > http://www.ukultimate.com/membership/changes_membership_201112 > > > ************************** > We do NOT intend to send Ultimatum 2012 to people who have not yet renewed > and it is absolutely our intention that this will be the case going > forwards. On your behalf we have good reasons for wanting members to renew > their membership annually on a fixed date, and we have selected *** 30th > Sept/1st Oct *** as the most appropriate date. Whilst it is more accident > than design, we do see Ultimatum providing us with an extra > reminder/incentive for people in the November-January period. No apology. > We are doing the right thing for the structure of the sport and the > organisation. > > As far as the shortened membership year 2012, I am also slightly > uncomfortable that a small number of individuals who do not want to renew > for 2012-13 (because they are retiring or leaving the country) will not > receive an Ultimatum 2012. Unfortunately we cannot identify them as > different from people who are renewing late (yes - late), but we've added a > note to the website to encourage those people to contact us if they are not > renewing for 2012-13. > ************************** > > I am going to pick up a couple of points from your email - and then I will > reply to your second email ... > > 1. "a batch email to those whos is to run out is automatically sent out one > month before membership runs out easy peasy!!" > > So - we did do that on the moving-date-renewal method - but many people > ignored the reminder. > Also - we did send those reminders as everyone's membership expired in at > the end of September. Since this would have included you, and yet you're > only raising your concerns now, I think I contest the idea that the > automated reminder is a catch-all solution to people having > personalised-renewal-dates. My experience of the last 4-5 years is that > categorically these reminders do NOT work. > > 2. "Why can't the UKU[A* - see below] have a rolling twelve month membership > like other national organisations? > > Well actually when considering whether to return to a fixed renewal date I > did some looking into this and the reality is different NGBs take different > approaches to this. Many do use a fixed renewal date. I must say - having > tried both - I am very confident that fixed date is better for us - some of > the reasons are outlined in the note on the website. > > One example is netball. They have 75,000 members and estimate 1 million > people play netball every week. They remain predominantly a participation > sport (so a better established NGB to compare with than, say, the FA or > LTA). They run a fixed renewal date for their membership scheme. Its 1st > Sept if you're interested. > > 3. "the UKUA" > > This seems like an opportunity to remind people that the organisation is > "UKU" not "UKUA". I appreciate that we haven't invested lots of time and > your money into a very overt re-branding exercise, but actually the UKUA > changed its structure and name in 2008 to become UK Ultimate Ltd. So "UKU", > not "UKUA" please. This means that our organisation is a legal entity in > its own right, and reduces the potential financial risks to individuals that > are board members, committee members or other officers of the organisation. > > Thanks > > Si > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Simon Barlow > Sent: 30 November 2012 12:37 > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [BD] Ultimatum 2012 > > So people who paid for membership in 2012 don't get 2012's Ultimatum, so do > they get 2011's? As I joined before tour this year, and didn't get one from > last year sent to me. > > Personally will be p****d off that a person who joins now for next season > gets this years ultimatum and if I don't dip my hand in my pocket today and > wait till next year don't get one even though paid for this years > membership, and presumed to be getting one as was part of the membership of > the UKUA!! Crazy!! > > Think this needs sorting out so those that have already paid for 2012's > membership get their copy!! > > Why can't the UKUA have a rolling twelve month membership like other > national organisations? So if sign up in may it lasts till may the following > year, a batch email to those whos is to run out is automatically sent out > one month before membership runs out easy peasy!! > > Kind regards > Simon Barlow > 0845 2699147 > 07971 903006 > > On 30 Nov 2012, at 12:00, [email protected] wrote: > >> Send BritDisc mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of BritDisc digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. UKU membership for Ultimatum (Si Hill, UK Ultimate) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:31:38 -0000 >> From: "Si Hill, UK Ultimate" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]>, "'uniultimate'" >> <[email protected]>, "'Junior ultimate yahoo group'" >> <[email protected]>, "'london league Elist'" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [BD] UKU membership for Ultimatum >> Message-ID: <01b101cdce4f$019199f0$04b4cdd0$@[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Tomorrow is the last day to renew your membership and check your >> contact details on the uku website are up to date and correct. >> >> http://www.ukultimate.com/ultimatum >> >> >> >> You need to have current FULL or FULL UNI/U18 membership to be >> eligible to receive Ultimatum. >> >> http://www.ukultimate.com/join >> >> >> >> OR - you can have an Ultimatum subscription alongside Basic membership >> - or even without any membership. >> >> http://www.ukultimate.com/product/ultimatum_membership >> >> >> >> Remember there is an option to upgrade Basic membership to Full >> membership on this page: >> >> http://www.ukultimate.com/join >> >> >> >> BUT STILL PEOPLE WHO HAVE PAID FOR ULTIMATUM WON'T GET IT... >> >> >> >> Please check that the postal address in your UKU user account is up to >> date and accurate. >> >> >> >> This page: http://www.ukultimate.com/user (you need to be logged in) >> will show your membership status, and also show you the postal address >> that we will use to send your Ultimatum. Remember to make sure that >> you have included your HOUSE NUMBER, TOWN/CITY and POSTCODE. >> >> >> >> If your membership status is described as "authenticated user" then >> your membership has expired and you need to renew it. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Si >> >> >> >> >> >> Ps - remember there is nothing to be gained by renewing your >> membership in March or May when the outdoor season starts because it >> will still expire on 30th September 2013. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Si Hill, UK Ultimate >> >> <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] >> >> Tel: 0844 8045949 >> >> Mob: 07802 311298 >> >> Skype: sihill22 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BritDisc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc >> Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed >> >> >> >> End of BritDisc Digest, Vol 110, Issue 26 >> ***************************************** > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
