@Jenna: love the bit about 'children had no good way to make their own eBay competitors' :-)

2. encourages experimentation with a low entry threshold,
Did you find the extremely high level of fun interesting obscure ruby hacks to be offputting at first? I did.

I'd been using Ruby and Perl for awhile, so I just found out how to make things do what I wanted (then spent loads of time on the Markaby and CSS :-)

3. can also handle serious web development,
Yup, so long as you don't let anyone know you've turned to the dark side.

I have a spare soul for the dark side to purchase, but it still has firm ethics.

4. doesn't take itself too seriously.
Sometimes I wonder about that one, but the spirit of rebellion against serious business still seems strong. ^_^

I see it more as a spirit of experimentation and a deliberate (cartoon) foxing around to one side of the boring everyday, but yes, _Why's surreal humour got me into Ruby in the first place (although *none* of the 7 students I introduced to the Poignant Guide got it at all, although one did buy Chris Pine's book) and from there...

The missing part in the tutorial for me is deployment. I have yet to deploy anything public! But that's anther post.
Hope this helps: http://camping.creativepony.com/Book:-Publishing- an-App :)

Yes, it does - thanks, that's great! Now I've just got to set up our VPS accordingly (and document the process as simply as possible)... I might also have a go at adding details for Heroku (tried out Sinatra on it, worked fine) for my 'Oracle of everyday things' Camping project. Unless someone else writes it up first.

Anyone have experience with Heroku or jRuby + App Engine want to fill in the blanks?

@Aria: 'edge-of-zany' - definitely. Or at least, off the beaten path. BTW Nice vegan recipes! With Jenna, Seems Camping might be the framework of choice for vegans (or, like me, totally-lactose- intolerant vegetarians)...

Dave E.

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