Have there been any trials of solar farms located over parking lots? Double
benefit: shade for the cars and use of space that otherwise is driving up
global warming.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 12:44 AM Colleen Richards <cl...@juno.com> wrote:

> Thank you Dave for a clear, concise presentation that helps point out the
> multiple problems facing us in choosing how we want to live. Ultimate value
> choices may not be agreed upon by everyone, though. And that has been
> apparent in these posts.
>
> Thanks for being honest about how birds can be affected by each form of
> energy's procurement / usage. That perspective helps to "round out" the
> information needed for each person's decision-making.
>
> In the end, each of us is required to make our own choices, and perhaps to
> enter into the public, or political, arena to stand up for those choices.
> It has been good to voice our thoughts and to encourage one another to keep
> perspective.
>
> For now I am planning to continue to point out the beauties of nature to
> those around me and to educate young people (and older ones, too) to
> appreciate and understand our responsibility to care for and about this
> world that we have been blessed with.
>
> Colleen Richards
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Dave Nutter <nutter.d...@me.com>
> To: CayugaBirds-L b <cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu>
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Conservation vs Ecology
> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:43:26 -0400
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl makes a valid point about the destructiveness to flora and fauna of
> large scale solar arrays. Solar panels which cover huge fields should be
> called mines, not farms. The arrays’ extraction of energy is industrial,
> not biological, and it is done while trying to overcome natural systems, so
> the solar arrays disrupt biology. By contrast, a farm harnesses biology
> using our soil and rain, and it diverts some of the biological products to
> human purposes in a repeatable annual process. When agriculture is
> practiced on the scale of a family farm, it can do so in concert with
> plants and wildlife in hedgerows, along streams, and around ponds, and
> agriculture’s incidental waste products can be more easily absorbed and
> used by nature along all those edges. Factory farms differ from traditional
> farms because with “efficiency†of scale, they eliminate nature and
> nature’s ability to handle agriculture’s side effects. At large scale,
> the waste is no longer incidental and absorbed, it is toxic.
>
> If farm land is abandoned, it can be reclaimed by plants and animals. When
> the solar panels wear out in a couple decades, will the regulations make it
> worth the effort and expense to recycle the old ones and install new ones?
> Or will it be cheaper to abandon those arrays? On my daily walks I see
> metal playground equipment in the woods because the City of Ithaca took it
> from where the Children’s Garden was being built, and chucked it
> alongside the old railroad grade, which became the Black Diamond Trail. I
> imagine hundreds of acres of metal of a big solar array, but overgrown
> among trees, vines and shrubs.
>
> For a solar array to work in our climate, vegetation must suppressed. This
> can be done by pasturing sheep among them, which makes cute advertising
> video, but how often is this practice used? How often is plant suppression
> done instead by covering and/or poisoning the soil? This has effects of
> heating the ground and speeding rain runoff. How often is plant suppression
> among solar arrays done with fossil-fuel powered machinery which also
> wastes the plant material? Maybe folks think that’s no big deal because
> so much land area is already mown, wasting both plants and fossil fuel, but
> I think mowing should be drastically scaled back. A reasonable sized
> personal lawn is the area a person can keep mowed with a reel mower pushed
> by hand without using fossil fuel. It’s not worth adding to the
> destruction of the natural climate, flora, and fauna in order to have a
> bigger lawn than one actually uses.
>
> So, yes, I agree, big solar arrays are poor for plants & animals. I also
> see at least 3 other parts to the equation as we evaluate the harm and
> benefit of solar arrays. What did the solar arrays replace on the
> landscape? What were the solar arrays built instead of for energy? How much
> energy do we need?
>
> In our moist temperate region, the land was mostly forested until being
> cleared for agriculture, which was a big investment. Abandoned agricultural
> land can, through succession, become meadows, shrub fields, and secondary
> forest, all of which harbor a wide variety of birds, but that’s a value
> we take for granted, not one with a price tag on it. People generally like
> and are uplifted by wild birds, and some of us are passionate about them.
> But abandoned farmland is considered “unproductive†by those who tax the
> land, and therefore also by those who own the land, so this habitat is apt
> to be shredded and converted to a large scale solar array. I’ve certainly
> seen that happen. If we as a society can literally value land which
> supports a diversity of birds, then less will be turned into long-term
> non-bird-habitat.
>
> My impression is that most agricultural land around here is for corn, and 
> I’ve
> also seen some cornfields replaced by solar arrays. What’s the impact
> on birds? What do we lose when a cornfield is replaced by a solar array?
> Cornfields are lousy habitat for breeding birds, but blackbirds feed there
> in spring and autumn, and waterfowl may feed there in winter. If
> old-fashioned manure is spread, then Horned Larks, Snow Buntings, and a few
> Lapland Longspurs may visit to feed. And if they are quick about it, Horned
> Larks might nest on the bare dirt before farmers get too active there.
> Pesticides used on corn affects insects, birds, and aquatic animals beyond
> the fields. What is the corn used for? Regulations require ethanol to be
> added to gasoline. Ethanol is easy to make from corn, so lots of corn goes
> there, which helps keep corn prices high and lots of land in corn, even
> though corn takes so much energy to produce, what with pesticides &
> fertilizers & machines, that adding ethanol from corn increases the carbon
> footprint of the gasoline. Maybe the sway of corn-producing states,
> especially Iowa with its early caucus, is some of the politics Carl
> mentioned. Another big use of corn is for high-fructose corn syrup, a cheap
> sweetener which is a big ingredient of many processed foods and beverages,
> and which has been implicated in our epidemics of obesity and diabetes.
> Again, politics may sway how health is studied and the public is informed.
> Another big use of corn is feed for livestock. While I enjoy eating meat,
> cheese, yogurt, butter, ice cream, and eggs, I also know that foods which
> are higher on the food chain, especially cattle, take an awful lot of
> energy and water to produce, and in many cases produce a lot of pollution.
> I don’t need lots of meat, not every day. And what I eat doesn’t need
> to be totally dependent on corn. I can eat local pork and eggs which are
> produced with less negative impact on wildlife, the environment, and the
> climate. And if you eat dairy, wouldn’t you prefer to support a farm
> where the family appreciates birds, practices farming in a way that allows
> them to accrue a yard list of over 200 species, and welcomes the birding
> public to appreciate the rarities such as the Say’s Phoebe,
> Scissor-tailed Flycatcher, and Yellow Rail that chose to visit? I’m
> talking about the Troyers’ Birdsong Meadow Farm in Candor. They have
> pastures and hayfields, where they reserve space for a thriving colony of
> Bobolinks, but they don’t feed their cows corn at all. The Troyer
> farm’s milk goes to Organic Valley, in case you want to support
> conscientious bird-friendly farming.
>
> But if a corn field, which uses lots of energy, and depletes topsoil, and
> often results in erosion, and produces plenty of pesticide pollution, and
> has dubious societal benefit, gets taken out of corn production, should it
> also be taken out of biology by installing a huge solar array? Seneca
> Meadows shows that, with effort, corn fields can return to exceptional
> wildlife habitat. Similarly, Montezuma Wetlands Complex is on land that was
> once the vast Montezuma Marshes which were a big barrier to building the
> Erie Canal, then were drained and used as farm land (potatoes, then corn in
> my memory) with dikes & channels to deliberately flood & drain the fields.
> Former corn fields still have potential for birds.
>
> What are the solar arrays erected instead of, in terms of energy sources?
> If it’s burning coal or petroleum, or gas from the ground, those energy
> sources add greenhouse gases to the atmosphere directly at large scale
> through burning. There is tremendous land destruction and water pollution
> and air pollution from mining and washing coal, and dealing with the
> leftover ash and the mining wastes. It turns out that newly exposed rock is
> not benign; it has elements exposed and chemicals produced which are toxic.
> Likewise, be happy you don’t live where petroleum is produced, or
> shipped, or refined, because those places are toxic. Much petroleum
> nowadays, like much gas mining, is extracted by fracking, which involves
> pumping chemicals into the ground at high pressure in order fracture the
> rock. Those liquids come back up even more toxic, saline, and radioactive
> but must be “disposed of†somewhere. Dumped? Spread on roads to melt
> ice? Sent to a wastewater treatment plant that was designed only for
> digesting human feces? Some of the fracking chemicals make the groundwater
> unsafe to drink. And some of the gases being mined leak into the
> groundwater or out of the ground or leak out of systems designed to collect
> and contain them. In some cases those gases are not what is being sought,
> so they are deliberately vented or burned. Problem is, those gases are
> themselves greenhouse gases, particularly methane, which is over 80 times
> stronger of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. So, what advertisers
> quaintly named “natural†gas is anathema to nature. We know that the
> addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere has caused the rising
> atmospheric temperature, among other deleterious effects too numerous to
> list here (but Alicia made a good start!), and those effects are in the
> process of moving and removing bird habitats at an unprecedented pace. So,
> we’re trying to weigh big negative consequences of large-scale, popular
> fossil fuel use, consequences which are easy to overlook, because they are
> either in someone else’s backyard, or they are everywhere but gradual.
>
> Other energy sources include nuclear. I think the same PR people who
> coined the lie “clean coal†also were hired by the nuclear industry.
> Technically, a nuclear power plant isn’t spewing carbon dioxide as it’s
> main product, but it uses plenty of energy, much of which does spew CO2,
> and it has radioactive waste which, in the time scale of human
> civilization, never goes away. The trail of radioactive waste starts when &
> where uranium is mined. The Native Americans who were “given†the
> apparent wasteland where that mining later occurred now have pollution on
> their land, in their air, and in their desert water, and they have a high
> cancer rate.
>
> Natural uranium is only 0.72% U-235, the rest being U-238, but it must be
> 2% to 5% U-235 to be used in a typical nuclear power plant (and much higher
> for weapons). This means that the great majority of the mined uranium, (the
> U-238 which has been “depleted†of some of it’s accompanying U-235)
> would be waste. As of 2020 about 2 million tons of it had accumulated. But
> the military found a use for the incredibly dense metallic form. Ask the
> folks in Iraq about living where depleted uranium shells and bullets were
> used. When they impact, they damage what they hit, then the shattered
> uranium spontaneously burns when the bits are exposed to air, and being a
> heavy metal, its oxide is toxic. And the process for “enriching†the
> uranium for use in power plants uses a quarter of the energy that the power
> plant would make (much more for weapons), and uses fluorine, whose
> compounds are highly toxic and very powerful greenhouse gases. Everything
> used during every step becomes radioactive waste. What’s left over after
> use in a power plant is a much more diverse mess that we haven’t figured
> out what to do with, so it accumulates in pools of water on site at power
> plants.
>
> Hydropower sounds cool unless you live in the valley that is being flooded
> or care about the fish who breed there or streamside habitats.
>
> I happen to think wind turbines are beautiful, and one can farm among
> them, but I don’t live next to one, and I’ve heard that many people
> don’t want to. Certainly the idea of a blade flying off is scary. Do wind
> turbines kill birds? Yes. How many? Hard to tell. I once tried to help Bill
> Evans look for dead birds below a tall radio tower after a foggy night
> during migration. If you think seeing a warbler in a leafy tree is hard,
> try looking for it when you have no clues from sound, movement, habitat,
> shape, color, or pattern. The dead birds had fallen randomly in the weeds
> below the guy wires. They looked like bits of fluff because their contour
> feathers were completely disheveled in odd positions that often obscured
> the wings & head. We arrived early in the morning, hoping to find them
> before the knowledgeable local scavengers, such as skunks, foxes, and
> crows. Some wind turbines are erected in the ocean. I doubt that the
> remains of long-lived, slow-reproducing birds such Puffins would be found
> below a wind turbine at sea.
>
> My point is that, while fossil fuel use is rapidly wrecking the climate in
> numerous ways for people and for birds and for lots more things which we
> care about, at the same time all energy sources when scaled up have scaled
> up downsides, and few of us would want to live where any one of those
> energy sources was about to be added. Furthermore, just adding solar arrays
> doesn’t actually help the fight against climate change. To fight climate
> change we need to stop using fossil fuels. And we haven’t been doing
> that.
>
> Look at the Keeling Curve. That’s the continuous record of atmospheric
> CO2 since 1958. It records the biosphere breathing. The CO2 level falls a
> few parts per million every year in spring and summer as the plants in
> the northern hemisphere photosynthesize, then the CO2 level rises in autumn
> and winter as decay takes over. But every single year the rise has been a
> little more than the drop. The yearly averages form a smooth upward curve.
> It was below 320ppm in 1958 and this year it’s poised to cross 420ppm.
> The amount of atmospheric CO2 has risen by over 50% since the start of the
> Industrial Revolution and mass coal use, but it’s risen by about a third
> just in my lifetime. We’ve had at least 35 years of public awareness of
> fossil fuels, greenhouse gases, climate change, and predictions of problems
> becoming reality, alongside a steady disinformation campaign by the fossil
> fuel industry, who still rake in record profits, despite renewable energy
> now being less expensive than fossil fuels. What’s our current situation?
> According to a report from NOAA last November, we have barely slowed the
> *increase* in the emissions of CO2.
>
>
> https://research.noaa.gov/2022/11/15/no-sign-of-significant-decrease-in-global-co2-emissions/#:~:text=The%20projection%20of%2040.6%20billion,highest%20annual%20total%20ever%20recorded.
>
> According to that report, “Land use changes, especially deforestation,
> are a significant source of CO2 emissions - equivalent to about a tenth of
> the amount of CO2 coming from fossil fuel emissions.†In this annual
> carbon accounting, “Planting new forests counterbalances half the
> deforestation.†So, while planting trees is good, we are a very long way
> from addressing the CO2 emissions from fossil fuels by planting trees. We
> would need to increase that effort twenty-fold.
>
> The ocean will only absorb a fraction of atmospheric CO2, and the report
> says, “the ocean’s capacity to be a sink is finite†. Furthermore, it
> says that warming of the water is reducing its ability to absorb CO2.
>
> Because all types of large scale energy production are destructive, I
> think we should do all we can, both personally, by encouraging others, and
> by promoting policies, to increase energy efficiency, and to reduce energy
> use. And because fossil fuels are driving climate change, we need to stop
> using them.
>
> So, yes, solar arrays are ugly, and I’d rather there be land that housed
> a diversity of birds. But all the other non-fossil-fuel options seemed
> worse, so I get my electricity from a local solar array. At least my energy
> use is solar on a net basis. And I conserve, with a well-insulated house
> that doesn’t even connect to gas. My car uses fossil fuel, but it is very
> efficient, and I rarely use it. I bicycle and walk for local trips. My
> birding by car is limited. I drove to Troyer’s to see the spectacular
> Scissor-tailed Flycatcher, rationalizing that I may never go to its home in
> Texas, despite how attractive Texas birds are to me. Otherwise most of my
> limited car-birding is also car-pooling. It’s good to get to know the
> local neighborhood birds well. And to appreciate that traveling longer
> distances is a luxury with costs to the things we would travel for. Keep
> checking and eventually a rare or novel bird will come to you, like that
> Little Gull I found by the Red Lighthouse, or a new year-yard bird like the
> Eastern Kingbird that distracted me while I was writing this.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
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